Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

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Overworked and pressure to inflate grades and sell expensive college Ed at any cost. Debt is the american way and we all deserve to have a crippling debt. This is educational freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

He’s in college.

I hit submit too soon. The point of my post was that college students talk. Would you rather go into a profession where people think you’re an idiot who couldn’t do anything else or go into a much higher paying profession where you are treated like an educated human being? This is what is happening. Students enrolling in education in college have dropped significantly and now many schools are having unqualified people who have no idea how to teach or even manage a class making up a large percentage of the faculty. Make teaching attractive or your kids will most likely be taught be one of these people.

The point of your post comparing your working life to your son's useless internship was that college students talk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

And yet, here you are, still demeaning them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

Lol. This would be a valid comment if I had started a thread titled, “WHY do teachers complain so dang much?”. This is a stupid comment to make on a thread like this, are you lacking in common sense?

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Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

Lol. This would be a valid comment if I had started a thread titled, “WHY do teachers complain so dang much?”. This is a stupid comment to make on a thread like this, are you lacking in common sense?

No, I'm not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

We are leaving don't worry

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

We are leaving don't worry

That’s why I don’t get some of the responses on this thread. There have been many attempts to explain why the teaching profession is in crisis. They haven’t been complaints; instead, they have been detailed explanations of why teaching does have some unique challenges.

Instead of listening to the people who are in the profession, several posters need to disparage teachers at every turn. Who loses? Eventually we all do. I just found out YET ANOTHER department member is quitting. We’ve turned over 80% of our department in 4 years, and the replacements can’t do it. They are quitting, too. Who is going to teach?

We are leaving because we can, and we are finding easier jobs that pay more. Don’t believe us? It doesn’t matter. We are watching our coworkers do it, so we know it’s quite possible.

We lowered our hiring standards again for next year. I don’t have much hope, and I know that means more parents are going to have their children transferred into my class to avoid the unqualified replacements. I’ll then feel even more overwhelmed than I do now, and I’ll eventually fold.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

We are leaving don't worry

That’s why I don’t get some of the responses on this thread. There have been many attempts to explain why the teaching profession is in crisis. They haven’t been complaints; instead, they have been detailed explanations of why teaching does have some unique challenges.

Instead of listening to the people who are in the profession, several posters need to disparage teachers at every turn. Who loses? Eventually we all do. I just found out YET ANOTHER department member is quitting. We’ve turned over 80% of our department in 4 years, and the replacements can’t do it. They are quitting, too. Who is going to teach?

We are leaving because we can, and we are finding easier jobs that pay more. Don’t believe us? It doesn’t matter. We are watching our coworkers do it, so we know it’s quite possible.

We lowered our hiring standards again for next year. I don’t have much hope, and I know that means more parents are going to have their children transferred into my class to avoid the unqualified replacements. I’ll then feel even more overwhelmed than I do now, and I’ll eventually fold.

Who do you think is ultimately orchestrating the overall insanity we now have in our public schools?

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

He’s in college.

I hit submit too soon. The point of my post was that college students talk. Would you rather go into a profession where people think you’re an idiot who couldn’t do anything else or go into a much higher paying profession where you are treated like an educated human being? This is what is happening. Students enrolling in education in college have dropped significantly and now many schools are having unqualified people who have no idea how to teach or even manage a class making up a large percentage of the faculty. Make teaching attractive or your kids will most likely be taught be one of these people.

The point of your post comparing your working life to your son's useless internship was that college students talk?

When August rolls around every year, people post about the huge teacher vacancy rates. Schools live on data these days yet they can't figure out what to do with it. Teacher prep programs are enrolling fewer and fewer students each year. If the data crunchers don't ask why, they will have to reap what they sow. Parents should care because they will complain that their kids have long term subs who can't even take attendance correctly. This is everyone's problem.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

He’s in college.

I hit submit too soon. The point of my post was that college students talk. Would you rather go into a profession where people think you’re an idiot who couldn’t do anything else or go into a much higher paying profession where you are treated like an educated human being? This is what is happening. Students enrolling in education in college have dropped significantly and now many schools are having unqualified people who have no idea how to teach or even manage a class making up a large percentage of the faculty. Make teaching attractive or your kids will most likely be taught be one of these people.

The point of your post comparing your working life to your son's useless internship was that college students talk?

When August rolls around every year, people post about the huge teacher vacancy rates. Schools live on data these days yet they can't figure out what to do with it. Teacher prep programs are enrolling fewer and fewer students each year. If the data crunchers don't ask why, they will have to reap what they sow. Parents should care because they will complain that their kids have long term subs who can't even take attendance correctly. This is everyone's problem.

A totally different point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

We are leaving don't worry

That’s why I don’t get some of the responses on this thread. There have been many attempts to explain why the teaching profession is in crisis. They haven’t been complaints; instead, they have been detailed explanations of why teaching does have some unique challenges.

Instead of listening to the people who are in the profession, several posters need to disparage teachers at every turn. Who loses? Eventually we all do. I just found out YET ANOTHER department member is quitting. We’ve turned over 80% of our department in 4 years, and the replacements can’t do it. They are quitting, too. Who is going to teach?

We are leaving because we can, and we are finding easier jobs that pay more. Don’t believe us? It doesn’t matter. We are watching our coworkers do it, so we know it’s quite possible.

We lowered our hiring standards again for next year. I don’t have much hope, and I know that means more parents are going to have their children transferred into my class to avoid the unqualified replacements. I’ll then feel even more overwhelmed than I do now, and I’ll eventually fold.

Are you really going to claim that all of the teachers here were making detailed, reasonable explanations? Including the teacher who thought that teachers do literally every job function that exists?

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Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

We are leaving don't worry

That’s why I don’t get some of the responses on this thread. There have been many attempts to explain why the teaching profession is in crisis. They haven’t been complaints; instead, they have been detailed explanations of why teaching does have some unique challenges.

Instead of listening to the people who are in the profession, several posters need to disparage teachers at every turn. Who loses? Eventually we all do. I just found out YET ANOTHER department member is quitting. We’ve turned over 80% of our department in 4 years, and the replacements can’t do it. They are quitting, too. Who is going to teach?

We are leaving because we can, and we are finding easier jobs that pay more. Don’t believe us? It doesn’t matter. We are watching our coworkers do it, so we know it’s quite possible.

We lowered our hiring standards again for next year. I don’t have much hope, and I know that means more parents are going to have their children transferred into my class to avoid the unqualified replacements. I’ll then feel even more overwhelmed than I do now, and I’ll eventually fold.

No, what people are taking issue with is the idea that claim that a) no one ever acknowledges that teachers feel overworked and b) that being a teacher is harder than anything else (or, as one PP claimed, involves doing literally every other job in the world). The drama and exaggeration is the issue. Also, people DO acknowledge that teachers feel overwhelmed; as stated, if anything this point is over hammered in

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain

You chose to come online to complain about people complaining, just as an fyi. You don't have to do that

NP, but it's ev.ery.where. On FB. On the apps my kids' teachers use, on major news sites, etc. Constantly seeing whining about how their job is so uniquely hard.

They remind me of emo teenagers: "no one will understand me! my life is just so, so hard, and so difficult. You see, I am unique in human history--a noble beautiful soul simply put upon."

Like ugh, go listen to Imagine Dragons and let the rest of us live in peace.

We are leaving don't worry

That’s why I don’t get some of the responses on this thread. There have been many attempts to explain why the teaching profession is in crisis. They haven’t been complaints; instead, they have been detailed explanations of why teaching does have some unique challenges.

Instead of listening to the people who are in the profession, several posters need to disparage teachers at every turn. Who loses? Eventually we all do. I just found out YET ANOTHER department member is quitting. We’ve turned over 80% of our department in 4 years, and the replacements can’t do it. They are quitting, too. Who is going to teach?

We are leaving because we can, and we are finding easier jobs that pay more. Don’t believe us? It doesn’t matter. We are watching our coworkers do it, so we know it’s quite possible.

We lowered our hiring standards again for next year. I don’t have much hope, and I know that means more parents are going to have their children transferred into my class to avoid the unqualified replacements. I’ll then feel even more overwhelmed than I do now, and I’ll eventually fold.

No, what people are taking issue with is the idea that claim that a) no one ever acknowledges that teachers feel overworked and b) that being a teacher is harder than anything else (or, as one PP claimed, involves doing literally every other job in the world). The drama and exaggeration is the issue. Also, people DO acknowledge that teachers feel overwhelmed; as stated, if anything this point is over hammered in

Why are you still complaining about this on page 68? Who are you trying to win points with.