Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

If your son is local and in a local business school, then they're not doing useless internships where they sit at a front desk and the only notable part of their job is the meals they're gifted. So either the story is distorted or the kid is a high schooler working at your ex husband's law office.

I would love for PP to come tell us what the "business" is.

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What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

If your son is local and in a local business school, then they're not doing useless internships where they sit at a front desk and the only notable part of their job is the meals they're gifted. So either the story is distorted or the kid is a high schooler working at your ex husband's law office.

Well, I'm not PP and I have to believe them that they are sharing their sons true experience. I'm open enough to believe that others have very different experiences. It's possible to have rational conversations rather than speaking in absolutes and getting immediately defensive. I prefer those conversations.

Oh yeah and I'm not the PP and I think that claiming this is an "objective" comparison is farcical.

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Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

I mean, this sounds like my unpaid graduate work. Except mine was cognitively challenging. I worked PT to just barely eat. And it lasted three years. This wasn't a business degree, though.

I always found the people going straight into business soulless, though. It wasn't something I aspired to.

I thought that was odd, too. Bragging that they had to work hard but that being a student teacher isn't cognitively challenging. I mean, McDonald's employees also work hard at cognitively light jobs.

The way I read it, is that all the busy work outside of teaching was the part that isn't that cognitively challenging. And I totally agree. I can lesson plan, grade, browse for materials while watching netflix or sitting on my porch. It is time consuming though, which is what she claimed.

I guess I'm not that impressed. I went to grad school while working full time and it was both time consuming AND cognitively challenging.

Well yeah, the student teacher is also doing the 'teaching' part during the day, which is certainly cognitively challenging. I don't think anyone is looking for you to be impressed tho, 65 pages into a thread wondering why teachers don't want to do this work anymore.

Are you assuming that the rest of us are not working cognitively demanding jobs? GIS modeling is more challenging than teaching social studies or middle school geography.

I'm sure it is. I didn't assume any of that. I was answering the PPs question. We got another non teacher TRIGGERED on here though

hah hah she said "triggered!" again!

wow you sure gotem

I think I did, thank you.

teach, shouldn't you be chained to a desk somewhere? i thought you ppl didnt get any breaks ever

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

I mean, this sounds like my unpaid graduate work. Except mine was cognitively challenging. I worked PT to just barely eat. And it lasted three years. This wasn't a business degree, though.

I always found the people going straight into business soulless, though. It wasn't something I aspired to.

I thought that was odd, too. Bragging that they had to work hard but that being a student teacher isn't cognitively challenging. I mean, McDonald's employees also work hard at cognitively light jobs.

The way I read it, is that all the busy work outside of teaching was the part that isn't that cognitively challenging. And I totally agree. I can lesson plan, grade, browse for materials while watching netflix or sitting on my porch. It is time consuming though, which is what she claimed.

I guess I'm not that impressed. I went to grad school while working full time and it was both time consuming AND cognitively challenging.

Well yeah, the student teacher is also doing the 'teaching' part during the day, which is certainly cognitively challenging. I don't think anyone is looking for you to be impressed tho, 65 pages into a thread wondering why teachers don't want to do this work anymore.

Are you assuming that the rest of us are not working cognitively demanding jobs? GIS modeling is more challenging than teaching social studies or middle school geography.

I'm sure it is. I didn't assume any of that. I was answering the PPs question. We got another non teacher TRIGGERED on here though

hah hah she said "triggered!" again!

wow you sure gotem

I think I did, thank you.

teach, shouldn't you be chained to a desk somewhere? i thought you ppl didnt get any breaks ever

Left that life now I work less make more and can mess around with you wackos

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

I mean, this sounds like my unpaid graduate work. Except mine was cognitively challenging. I worked PT to just barely eat. And it lasted three years. This wasn't a business degree, though.

I always found the people going straight into business soulless, though. It wasn't something I aspired to.

I thought that was odd, too. Bragging that they had to work hard but that being a student teacher isn't cognitively challenging. I mean, McDonald's employees also work hard at cognitively light jobs.

The way I read it, is that all the busy work outside of teaching was the part that isn't that cognitively challenging. And I totally agree. I can lesson plan, grade, browse for materials while watching netflix or sitting on my porch. It is time consuming though, which is what she claimed.

I guess I'm not that impressed. I went to grad school while working full time and it was both time consuming AND cognitively challenging.

Well yeah, the student teacher is also doing the 'teaching' part during the day, which is certainly cognitively challenging. I don't think anyone is looking for you to be impressed tho, 65 pages into a thread wondering why teachers don't want to do this work anymore.

Are you assuming that the rest of us are not working cognitively demanding jobs? GIS modeling is more challenging than teaching social studies or middle school geography.

I'm sure it is. I didn't assume any of that. I was answering the PPs question. We got another non teacher TRIGGERED on here though

hah hah she said "triggered!" again!

wow you sure gotem

I think I did, thank you.

teach, shouldn't you be chained to a desk somewhere? i thought you ppl didnt get any breaks ever

Left that life now I work less make more and can mess around with you wackos

oh, you were one of the smart ones. yeah, like another pp said, it's not the cream of the crop who goes into teaching. long hours, mind-numbing work. might as well work at an arby's, amirite?

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I'm glad we can acknowledge that none of us here are actually teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad we can acknowledge that none of us here are actually teachers.

Maybe YOU'RE not but I am, and you are TRIGGERED

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad we can acknowledge that none of us here are actually teachers.

Maybe YOU'RE not but I am, and you are TRIGGERED

...is this really supposed to be the "top" of Arts and Humanities working for us above?

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Good god. Education schools are not sending their best…to DCUM

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

He’s in college.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

Agreed. That was a really weird (not to mention very uninformed) post.

I don't see why it was weird. It was in response to people wondering why more students aren't entering teaching; I think seeing the difference in the internship period is a reason why.

Her son's high school internship is nothing like the experience the rest of us had. Most of us had to work hard during our training periods. Have you ever seen what a pharmacist has to go through?

It was her son's business school internship. Why are you giving me some whataboutism with a pharmacy. It was also her sharing her personal experience, which is why I go back to my OG statement that you are...TRIGGERED

Why is she giving us some whataboutism about her son's high school experience internship working at a front desk?

Can you share where you think it is a HS internship? Maybe I'm missing something

Nothing makes it sound like this is the internship of an advanced college student. OP only said it was in a business. Plenty of high schoolers have simple internships during the summer during the transition between HS and college.

"My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5"

Ah yes, those classic situations where HS students have multiple 9 - 5 business internships with paid meals.

He’s in college.

I hit submit too soon. The point of my post was that college students talk. Would you rather go into a profession where people think you’re an idiot who couldn’t do anything else or go into a much higher paying profession where you are treated like an educated human being? This is what is happening. Students enrolling in education in college have dropped significantly and now many schools are having unqualified people who have no idea how to teach or even manage a class making up a large percentage of the faculty. Make teaching attractive or your kids will most likely be taught be one of these people.

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Anonymous wrote:What does that mean, No one is acknowledging? It's all anyone talks about!

+2 I’m literally so tired of hearing teachers complain