Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's my understanding that the young armorer comes from literal generations (dad and granddad) in this professional. I would not call her inexperienced.

Yup. Kids of surgeons should just be handed scalpels whenever their fine motor skills kick in.

The comparison- very stupid, naturally, for this thread- of what-if-ing a scenario where AB pointed it at himself and inadvertently committed suicide kinda ignores that unlike those who were allegedly using the guns for play, AB was working. He was rehearsing. He wasn’t farting around because he’s at a level of idiocy where shooting shit up is the only way to have fun as opposed to literally anything else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's my understanding that the young armorer comes from literal generations (dad and granddad) in this professional. I would not call her inexperienced.

Look at her age and the age of her dad. It's unlikely she knows him at all, let alone learned at his knee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's my understanding that the young armorer comes from literal generations (dad and granddad) in this professional. I would not call her inexperienced.

She was raised by her mother. I highly doubt he trained her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

She has a bachelors degree in film/cinema and has been working in that occupation ever since. And being a armorer where she also trained actors on how to use their guns.

A dumb statement you make without knowing the facts. She very well could have cleared the gun, but someone else put a live round in there. That's why they call it an "investigation", to get the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

Can you try to stop using misogynist language? It is just not necessary. Unqualified professionals come in all genders.

What would be an equivalent non-sexist word? (She's not a professional at all.)

"People." You ok? Not sure how you forget the word "people."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

Can you try to stop using misogynist language? It is just not necessary. Unqualified professionals come in all genders.

What would be an equivalent non-sexist word? (She's not a professional at all.)

"People." You ok? Not sure how you forget the word "people."

Right now we don't know that she did anything wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If AB had put the gun to his head and shot himself, people would be asking why he did not check the gun? Why did he take somebody's word for it? etc.

I think this is a valid point.

My hope is that gun safety regulations are upgraded and enforced on all film sets going forward.

NP. If by "upgraded and enforced," do you mean actors should be responsible for opening a gun and checking inside it? If so, you and all the other "actors are responsible!" people here still can't, or won't, comprehend how firearms are handled on film and TV sets.

Armorers do not WANT actors opening and closing and inspecting firearms. The mere act of doing so could end up creating problems with the weapon which could be dangerous. It. Is. The. Armorer's. Responsibility. And in this specific case, it also is that AD's responsibility since he picked up a gun and clearly, verbally declared it "cold." It is not on actors to inspect every gun every time. They are not experienced in it. Their focus is elsewhre when they are working. The realities of filming a scene involving firearms don't allow for it. (Often the scene begins with a dummy gun in the actor's hand, then it's paused for the armorer to place a gun with a dummy round or blank into the actor's hand, and the film starts again -- it is rapid, and the actor can't just stop, alter positions, and take time to check a gun that multiple others would have checked already.)

The fact that countless shows and films have used firearms with zero accidents over many, many years fails to register with many PPs here. This incident is the exception, not the rule.

And those bringing up the Brandon Lee tragedy need to stop. That was nearly 30 years ago. Not diminishing how horrible it is for the victim and her family and not diminishing how VERY responsible the armorer, AD and possibly others are, in this specific case. But turning this into a call for all actors to inspect every gun is simply ridiculous and shows a complete failure to read the many articles in the past week where it's made clear that no one wants actors in the business of checking firearms. Does this bring up huge issues with set safety and the consequences of having criminally sloppy procedures that need serious fixes? Yes. Does that include making actors personally responsible for firearms? No.

That's just not true. If opening a revolver to check the cylinders causes any problems with the gun, then whoever maintains it is beyond incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

She has a bachelors degree in film/cinema and has been working in that occupation ever since. And being a armorer where she also trained actors on how to use their guns.

A dumb statement you make without knowing the facts. She very well could have cleared the gun, but someone else put a live round in there. That's why they call it an "investigation", to get the facts.

That's the whole point of checking the gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

She has a bachelors degree in film/cinema and has been working in that occupation ever since. And being a armorer where she also trained actors on how to use their guns.

A dumb statement you make without knowing the facts. She very well could have cleared the gun, but someone else put a live round in there. That's why they call it an "investigation", to get the facts.

This was her second job as armorer and the first one didn't go well.

Now she needs a new career. And since her landlord is kicking her out, she also needs a new place to stay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

Can you try to stop using misogynist language? It is just not necessary. Unqualified professionals come in all genders.

What would be an equivalent non-sexist word? (She's not a professional at all.)

If what you're trying to discuss her professional qualifications or lack there of then irresponsible, inexperienced, unqualified, unprofessional . . . all those words would work.

If you're looking for a non-sexist word to convey the idea that her sexual behavior and her sex are relevant, well there isn't one. Which point were you trying to make?

[Anonymous]

Maybe Alec was mad at the Cinematographer for supporting the union walkouts and wanted to scare her? Or he made advances on her and she rebuffed him, threatening to tell Hilaria and the media?

See how speculation works?

Everyone knows Alec is a hothead, angry person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should not hire bimbos because of their name, but that goes on nearly everywhere.

Can you try to stop using misogynist language? It is just not necessary. Unqualified professionals come in all genders.

What would be an equivalent non-sexist word? (She's not a professional at all.)

If what you're trying to discuss her professional qualifications or lack there of then irresponsible, inexperienced, unqualified, unprofessional . . . all those words would work.

If you're looking for a non-sexist word to convey the idea that her sexual behavior and her sex are relevant, well there isn't one. Which point were you trying to make?

Indeed.... So incredibly interesting that there doesn't seem to be one, does there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Alec was mad at the Cinematographer for supporting the union walkouts and wanted to scare her? Or he made advances on her and she rebuffed him, threatening to tell Hilaria and the media?

See how speculation works?

Everyone knows Alec is a hothead, angry person.

Umm, what speculation are you calling out? That the armorer was green, inexperienced, and had made several dangerous mistakes already? Or something else?

[Anonymous]

The only mistake AB made was signing on to such a low-budget, amateur production.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only mistake AB made was signing on to such a low-budget, amateur production.

I would call this a comedy of errors, but it's more of a tragedy. And it started with trying to make a film that the budget didn't actually support.