Automatically enrolled into Algebra 1 honors

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure about 5th grade MAP, but 6th grade MAP did just this. I wrote about it a few pages earlier here. My AAP 6th grader had a message at the end of his most recent winter MAP testing that said something along the lines of “this score indicates readiness for a higher level of math/instruction, such as Algebra”

what was the score for the MAP? we only get basic reports from our school with a %

His score on winter MAP was 270.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this open to only all level 4 AAP students? How about level 3 math AAP students?

no level 3. they aren’t a year ahead in math by 5th grade

Kids in Advanced Math can take A1H in 6th grade, it is the same math done in the AAP classroom.

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Is there any data regarding currently how many AAP 6th graders are taking Algebra 1?

Across all FCPS elementary schools half, less than half of the AAP kids?
What about LCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any data regarding currently how many AAP 6th graders are taking Algebra 1?

Across all FCPS elementary schools half, less than half of the AAP kids?
What about LCPS?

More than 700 started the year in the Algebra 6th pilot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any data regarding currently how many AAP 6th graders are taking Algebra 1?

Across all FCPS elementary schools half, less than half of the AAP kids?
What about LCPS?

More than 700 started the year in the Algebra 6th pilot.

Up from around 30 students who enrolled in 6th grade in previous years.

[Anonymous]

30 to 700 is a big jump. What is the end goal here? Are they going to change TJ criteria based on advanced math? Why the rush?

I would want to take it in 7th grade and get A.
Instead of taking in 6th grade and get B.

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Anonymous wrote:30 to 700 is a big jump. What is the end goal here? Are they going to change TJ criteria based on advanced math? Why the rush?

I would want to take it in 7th grade and get A.
Instead of taking in 6th grade and get B.

Before, they likely had 100 kids who met the criteria for algebra I in 6th, but a lot of principals didn't want to offer the early pathway. It's great that they're making sure that all qualified kids have access to earlier algebra and aren't subject to their principal's whims. It's very very bad that they're considering any kid with a pulse to be "qualified." It's also unfortunate that they're creating a path that has kids skip 2 years in a row, rather than two separate one year skips. I know this sounds confusing, but in the past, kids on this path skipped Math 6, took Math 7 in 5th grade, then skipped math 8 and took Algebra in 6th after meeting the IAAT and SOL benchmarks. It sounds like now the kids take Math 6 in 5th grade, and then skip both math 7 and 8 to jump up into Algebra without needing to meet any benchmarks.

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Anonymous wrote:i have a current AAP 5th grader who is 99% on MAPs and perfect on SOLs and she’s still not ready. it’s crazy to auto enroll kids into algebra in 6th with no real requirement other than to pass the SOL. so many kids are going to fail. they haven’t even announced to parents this is happening

What are you using to decide she's not ready?

different poster with a 5th grader who has the same stats — I also don’t feel she is ready for A1H in 6th. Why? Because she’s relying entirely on FCPS for her math education and hasn’t taken pre-algebra yet. I don’t think it’s in her best interest to skip an entire year of foundational knowledge just to struggle in a subject she otherwise loves and excels at. Down the road, I don’t think there’s any benefit to rushing this. She’ll be plenty advanced taking A1H in 7th, like her older sibling did.

FYI, 6th grade AAP non-algebra was not pre-algebra. So taking algebra in 7th grade would still be a gap.

Uh yea it is. Math 7 honors is basically a repeat of what was done in 6th grade math AAP. This is the course before algebra so it is pre algebra.

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Anonymous wrote:i have a current AAP 5th grader who is 99% on MAPs and perfect on SOLs and she’s still not ready. it’s crazy to auto enroll kids into algebra in 6th with no real requirement other than to pass the SOL. so many kids are going to fail. they haven’t even announced to parents this is happening

What are you using to decide she's not ready?

different poster with a 5th grader who has the same stats — I also don’t feel she is ready for A1H in 6th. Why? Because she’s relying entirely on FCPS for her math education and hasn’t taken pre-algebra yet. I don’t think it’s in her best interest to skip an entire year of foundational knowledge just to struggle in a subject she otherwise loves and excels at. Down the road, I don’t think there’s any benefit to rushing this. She’ll be plenty advanced taking A1H in 7th, like her older sibling did.

I have a 5th grader with similar stats and don't feel confident saying he is or is not ready. It’s not something Ive thought about and we don't have older kids to compare. My initial instinct is, if he is performing well and acceleration is offered, he should do it. The bar will be raised or loweres for the whole cohort, right? But I would not say he is a math prodigy who needs more acceleration. But if FCPS is offering it, I lean towards including him in it.

Just a note, the grade will be on their high school transcript. So you want your child to get a A. The grade can be erased if the class is retaken, but that might impact their self esteem.

2 years ago, students had to score 90% on the IAAT test to qualify. I recommend every parent have their child take the IAAT test and see if their child can answer 90% of the questions correctly in 40 minutes. Here is a link to a free test.

https://www.scribd.com/document/817094414/IAAT-Practice-Test-1

I clicked on this link, and my 5th grader would know all of these answers. And I presume anyone who said thier 5th grader was scoring 95% would also know them. Yet those parents are still saying "their 11 year old isnt ready". Im confused on what makes someone ready, if its not based on being able to answer these math questions.

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Anonymous wrote:i have a current AAP 5th grader who is 99% on MAPs and perfect on SOLs and she’s still not ready. it’s crazy to auto enroll kids into algebra in 6th with no real requirement other than to pass the SOL. so many kids are going to fail. they haven’t even announced to parents this is happening

What are you using to decide she's not ready?

different poster with a 5th grader who has the same stats — I also don’t feel she is ready for A1H in 6th. Why? Because she’s relying entirely on FCPS for her math education and hasn’t taken pre-algebra yet. I don’t think it’s in her best interest to skip an entire year of foundational knowledge just to struggle in a subject she otherwise loves and excels at. Down the road, I don’t think there’s any benefit to rushing this. She’ll be plenty advanced taking A1H in 7th, like her older sibling did.

I have a 5th grader with similar stats and don't feel confident saying he is or is not ready. It’s not something Ive thought about and we don't have older kids to compare. My initial instinct is, if he is performing well and acceleration is offered, he should do it. The bar will be raised or loweres for the whole cohort, right? But I would not say he is a math prodigy who needs more acceleration. But if FCPS is offering it, I lean towards including him in it.

Just a note, the grade will be on their high school transcript. So you want your child to get a A. The grade can be erased if the class is retaken, but that might impact their self esteem.

2 years ago, students had to score 90% on the IAAT test to qualify. I recommend every parent have their child take the IAAT test and see if their child can answer 90% of the questions correctly in 40 minutes. Here is a link to a free test.

https://www.scribd.com/document/817094414/IAAT-Practice-Test-1

I clicked on this link, and my 5th grader would know all of these answers. And I presume anyone who said thier 5th grader was scoring 95% would also know them. Yet those parents are still saying "their 11 year old isnt ready". Im confused on what makes someone ready, if it's not based on being able to answer these math questions.

Time is a huge factor for the IAAT. A lot of the kids aren't used to working under a time crunch or while they understand the concepts, they lack the fluency to be successful in algebra.

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Anonymous wrote:i have a current AAP 5th grader who is 99% on MAPs and perfect on SOLs and she’s still not ready. it’s crazy to auto enroll kids into algebra in 6th with no real requirement other than to pass the SOL. so many kids are going to fail. they haven’t even announced to parents this is happening

What are you using to decide she's not ready?

different poster with a 5th grader who has the same stats — I also don’t feel she is ready for A1H in 6th. Why? Because she’s relying entirely on FCPS for her math education and hasn’t taken pre-algebra yet. I don’t think it’s in her best interest to skip an entire year of foundational knowledge just to struggle in a subject she otherwise loves and excels at. Down the road, I don’t think there’s any benefit to rushing this. She’ll be plenty advanced taking A1H in 7th, like her older sibling did.

FYI, 6th grade AAP non-algebra was not pre-algebra. So taking algebra in 7th grade would still be a gap.

Uh yea it is. Math 7 honors is basically a repeat of what was done in 6th grade math AAP. This is the course before algebra so it is pre algebra.

Not according to this. There is no more math 7 honors: https://www.fcps.edu/academics/middle/mathematics

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this open to only all level 4 AAP students? How about level 3 math AAP students?

no level 3. they aren’t a year ahead in math by 5th grade

Kids in Advanced Math can take A1H in 6th grade, it is the same math done in the AAP classroom.

level 3 is not advanced/AAP track. they are not a grade ahead in 5th grade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this open to only all level 4 AAP students? How about level 3 math AAP students?

no level 3. they aren’t a year ahead in math by 5th grade

Kids in Advanced Math can take A1H in 6th grade, it is the same math done in the AAP classroom.

level 3 is not advanced/AAP track. they are not a grade ahead in 5th grade

Advanced math at our ES is. Some schools start advanced math in 3rd grade while others wait until 5th to start for some reason.

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Anonymous wrote:i have a current AAP 5th grader who is 99% on MAPs and perfect on SOLs and she’s still not ready. it’s crazy to auto enroll kids into algebra in 6th with no real requirement other than to pass the SOL. so many kids are going to fail. they haven’t even announced to parents this is happening

What are you using to decide she's not ready?

different poster with a 5th grader who has the same stats — I also don’t feel she is ready for A1H in 6th. Why? Because she’s relying entirely on FCPS for her math education and hasn’t taken pre-algebra yet. I don’t think it’s in her best interest to skip an entire year of foundational knowledge just to struggle in a subject she otherwise loves and excels at. Down the road, I don’t think there’s any benefit to rushing this. She’ll be plenty advanced taking A1H in 7th, like her older sibling did.

I have a 5th grader with similar stats and don't feel confident saying he is or is not ready. It’s not something Ive thought about and we don't have older kids to compare. My initial instinct is, if he is performing well and acceleration is offered, he should do it. The bar will be raised or loweres for the whole cohort, right? But I would not say he is a math prodigy who needs more acceleration. But if FCPS is offering it, I lean towards including him in it.

Just a note, the grade will be on their high school transcript. So you want your child to get a A. The grade can be erased if the class is retaken, but that might impact their self esteem.

2 years ago, students had to score 90% on the IAAT test to qualify. I recommend every parent have their child take the IAAT test and see if their child can answer 90% of the questions correctly in 40 minutes. Here is a link to a free test.

https://www.scribd.com/document/817094414/IAAT-Practice-Test-1

I clicked on this link, and my 5th grader would know all of these answers. And I presume anyone who said thier 5th grader was scoring 95% would also know them. Yet those parents are still saying "their 11 year old isnt ready". Im confused on what makes someone ready, if its not based on being able to answer these math questions.

It is a high school class. There is a lot more work. There are more quizzes, homework, and tests then your kid has seen. The class is going to move faster then AAP math. They need to be able to do the work, keep up with the pace, and retain the knowledge because they have to use that knowledge for pretty much every other math class out there.

There are teachers who have posted about 7th graders who took A1H really struggling with Algebra 2. They didn’t really learn the material. There are 7th graders getting C’s and B’s in A1H who tested into the class, IAAT, SOL, iReady, and struggled. They didn’t expunge the grade and retake it in th grade, they moved on to Geometry, struggled in Geometry, and then really struggled in A2.

That is what people mean when they say that their 6th or 7th grader isn’t ready. Some kids will be ready and will crush it. Others will not and it wil destroy their confidence. Others will be average or get a B, which isn’t a problem when you are on grade level but when you are triple accelerating for a class?

There is 0 rush to do this. It is not going to drastically change college outcomes. You are setting your kid up for two years of college level math, that their college might not accept and they will probably end up retaking. Unless you have a math obsessed, math loving kid who is bored to tears, there is no reason to take A1H in 6th grade.

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I like how PP explained the consequences of taking Algebra in grade 6 or even grade 7.
There is no rush and no major advantage with acceleration.
We will sign up for it in grade 7 not for grade 6. I’m not sure if DS will like and be able to cope up with 2 years of college level math in high school.