Help me understand Tradwife and Redpill logic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You’re adding too much bias in your analysis. I think a couple who opts for this lifestyle are not anticipating abuse from the husband. There is nothing inherently wrong with marrying early (after 20), being a virgin and living on one income. In a perfect world, it’s probably the most ideal way to raise a family with one spouse at home. I understand why it doesn’t work for most people, including myself. I would also never encourage my daughter to live like this. I had to be a stay at home mom while my spouse was deployed in the military. When he got back, he became abusive but I had an education to fall back on and now can support myself and kids with one income. But had my spouse been kind and supportive, we could have easily lived on his income and I could have continued to raise my kids. My kids definitely declined in many aspects when I went to work full time, but alas my husband ruined a good thing. I think it’s far too few men who can truly live like this and still respect their wives, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Absolutely BS

Tradwife culture is pro birth and Domestic violence and keeping women uneducated.

This is not the same as being a stay at home mothre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Oh stop a stay at home mother is not a Trad wife. Trad wives are Chrisitan right twats. Compete idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

No it is not "just a life"

Domestic violence in these relationships and unbalanced power is beyond the normal.

There is nothing redeeming about being a trad wife how moronic of you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Not the same comparrison.

Erick Kirk is a con woman criminal POS. She lies daily. Kirk doesn't add to anything but her own bank account.

Sending your kid to a college is to add to their education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

You're not a tradwife, you are a just a regular old SAHM.

It's essentially the same thing--both types of women are fully provided for by their husbands and they stay home and care for kids. UCM sahms will say the difference is they don't obey their husbands but the economic setup is the same and it's a very traditional one.

No they are not the same thing at all.

Trad wives are morons and Christian right little shits. They have no education and think their husbands should be "head of household" BS.

[Anonymous]

One hat doesn't fit everyone, people have different circumstances, values, finances, life goals etc. There is no one perfect way to live life. Even if there was, it wouldn't perfectly fit everyone's life.

[Anonymous]

I became a SAHM with a fancy degree. He found a great job which moved us to several states and countries. We had kids, raised them, set up several homes, adapted to several cultures and arranged several national and international moves. Life was just fast and fun and busy. Once back in country, kids gone to colleges, there was no need to go back to work as there were investments and real estates to manage. It was not your standard life but you sure can label it as a trad set up.

[Anonymous]

There can be abuse, resentment, unhappiness and injustice in trad or non trad marriages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am trad wife and my husband is the complete opposite of red pill. We are both pretty liberal.
He doesn’t demand that I am a housewife. It was a decision we made together. I wanted it and he was ok with that. The traditional “gender roles” come naturally to us and we just go with that.

It works for us without the need to follow some script or ideology.

We decided together that it made more sense for me to stay home with 3 kids and now I need to separate/divorce and am unable to earn enough to cover childcare. It sucks. All my fault, I know.

[Anonymous]

Funny how the OP mentions how hard it is to raise a family on one income yet constantly gets repeated how “women don’t need men anymore they make their own money”

How many child bearing age women (20’s) are earning 300k+?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny how the OP mentions how hard it is to raise a family on one income yet constantly gets repeated how “women don’t need men anymore they make their own money”

How many child bearing age women (20’s) are earning 300k+?

And how many men can support a good standard of living for SAHM wives?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It works best among observant, conservative religions, like Mormons, Catholics, and Jews, where there is a ton of shame around premarital sex (among Mormons, fornication and adultery are very serious sins, second only to murder in gravity). In those religions, young men are highly motivated to marry young so they can have sex. If they come from wealthy families, they receive family support in their twenties as they finish school and have babies. It does often work in these populations.

Many of the trad wife influencers are Mormon, so this is spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It works best among observant, conservative religions, like Mormons, Catholics, and Jews, where there is a ton of shame around premarital sex (among Mormons, fornication and adultery are very serious sins, second only to murder in gravity). In those religions, young men are highly motivated to marry young so they can have sex. If they come from wealthy families, they receive family support in their twenties as they finish school and have babies. It does often work in these populations.

Many of the trad wife influencers are Mormon, so this is spot on.

And the key word is "wealthy families"

[Anonymous]

There is a large underground Mormon homosexual male community in the DC area which includes a lot of married men. The majority of closeted men come from religious households. Don't be so sure a guy is straight just because he's dating you, is conservative, and wants to marry and have kids. They may want marriage and kids but want men on the side because their religion doesn't allow it. And if you are a SAHP its very hard to get out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It works best among observant, conservative religions, like Mormons, Catholics, and Jews, where there is a ton of shame around premarital sex (among Mormons, fornication and adultery are very serious sins, second only to murder in gravity). In those religions, young men are highly motivated to marry young so they can have sex. If they come from wealthy families, they receive family support in their twenties as they finish school and have babies. It does often work in these populations.

Many of the trad wife influencers are Mormon, so this is spot on.

And the key word is "wealthy families"

I was just thinking that a lot of the Mormons I know actually lived off government assistance when they were first married. They had families and very little income while finishing school. They qualified for food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, etc.