Two concepts should be banned in discussing boundary studies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

Property Value should be first. That is how we generate money to fund the schools. You idiot.

So if you rent in an apartment or can only afford a $350k house your children deserve less for their public education?!?!

You have good school options for $350k. You can get a townhouse in Frederick or Howard counties. A lot of.people that work in DC and Moco make the choice to live there because they get good schools within their budget.

[Anonymous]

[list]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing is unfair about some schools having high farms rate and others having low farms rate. Everyone makes decisions based on their priorities.

The bigger issue is the disparities in offerings between the schools.

I think the biggest issue is the lack of resources to support students living in poverty. At the high school level there is no significant funding to address the learning challenges associated with poverty. Extra money does help. https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/how-money-matters-factsheet

These high poverty high schools really are stretched thin for supporting low income kids. It would be easier if the high needs kids weren't so concentrated in certain schools. For example, we know experienced teachers are more effective and that wealthy schools attract more experienced teachers. It is better for low income kids to be in schools with more experienced teachers. The most cost effective way to do that is to reduce racial and economic segregation in schools.

Of course as a result of housing discrimination and exclusionary zoning in Montgomery County, it is hard not to concentrate poverty in certain schools, but it's crazy to me that the BOE isn't even considering some obvious ways to reduce segregation and is in fact only looking at boundary options that increase segregation.

What are the obvious things that you mention? Send the kids from Potomac to Wheaton?

[Anonymous]

The teachers are not the reason why low income kids need extra support. It's because low income kids are often not supervised properly outside of school.

[Anonymous]

What they should do at high farm schools is make the kids stay in school until the parents get off work and make them do homework.

[Anonymous]

They have to try to do the parents job for them. That is the only way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teachers are not the reason why low income kids need extra support. It's because low income kids are often not supervised properly outside of school.

oh it’s 100% this. And it starts very young. Being left alone or with siblings not of age to watch them. This is real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What they should do at high farm schools is make the kids stay in school until the parents get off work and make them do homework.

absolutely they should use extra funding to pay a couple teacher chaperones and let the kids stay until 6ish. honestly it would probably be really positive. it would keep them from getting into trouble and help them get their work done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

Property Value should be first. That is how we generate money to fund the schools. You idiot.

So if you rent in an apartment or can only afford a $350k house your children deserve less for their public education?!?!

Every school in the district has the exact same curriculum-so no they are not getting any less.

Right, it's just separate but still equal...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[list]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing is unfair about some schools having high farms rate and others having low farms rate. Everyone makes decisions based on their priorities.

The bigger issue is the disparities in offerings between the schools.

I think the biggest issue is the lack of resources to support students living in poverty. At the high school level there is no significant funding to address the learning challenges associated with poverty. Extra money does help. https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/how-money-matters-factsheet

These high poverty high schools really are stretched thin for supporting low income kids. It would be easier if the high needs kids weren't so concentrated in certain schools. For example, we know experienced teachers are more effective and that wealthy schools attract more experienced teachers. It is better for low income kids to be in schools with more experienced teachers. The most cost effective way to do that is to reduce racial and economic segregation in schools.

Of course as a result of housing discrimination and exclusionary zoning in Montgomery County, it is hard not to concentrate poverty in certain schools, but it's crazy to me that the BOE isn't even considering some obvious ways to reduce segregation and is in fact only looking at boundary options that increase segregation.

What are the obvious things that you mention? Send the kids from Potomac to Wheaton?

Of course not. I mean do what they claimed they would do - look at adjacent clusters. Like as mentioned above in this thread, WJ and Einstein and Wheaton where there are massive differences in FARMS rates. But it's not even being considered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What they should do at high farm schools is make the kids stay in school until the parents get off work and make them do homework.

absolutely they should use extra funding to pay a couple teacher chaperones and let the kids stay until 6ish. honestly it would probably be really positive. it would keep them from getting into trouble and help them get their work done.

Have you been at one of these schools? The regular teachers can’t even deal with these kids during normal class time. You think a chaperone can “fix” this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Balancing the farms rate should have nothing to do with new boundaries. If you chose to buy in Einstein, you prioritized close in proximity over the school attendance zone.

If you cared about the school attendance zone, you could have bought a house in Poolesville for a similar price as Einstein. But instead you prioritized close in proximity to DC.

I - like many of my neighbors - chose to use my JD/PhD/MD for public service which means I have to go into work in person and don’t get paid the big bucks to do it. Yet my neighbors who chose to maximize $ think that somehow makes them and their kids more deserving than mine. This is the heart of my disgust with many of my fellow MoCo residents (fellow citizens too but that’s not the subject of this thread).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[list]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing is unfair about some schools having high farms rate and others having low farms rate. Everyone makes decisions based on their priorities.

The bigger issue is the disparities in offerings between the schools.

I think the biggest issue is the lack of resources to support students living in poverty. At the high school level there is no significant funding to address the learning challenges associated with poverty. Extra money does help. https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/how-money-matters-factsheet

These high poverty high schools really are stretched thin for supporting low income kids. It would be easier if the high needs kids weren't so concentrated in certain schools. For example, we know experienced teachers are more effective and that wealthy schools attract more experienced teachers. It is better for low income kids to be in schools with more experienced teachers. The most cost effective way to do that is to reduce racial and economic segregation in schools.

Of course as a result of housing discrimination and exclusionary zoning in Montgomery County, it is hard not to concentrate poverty in certain schools, but it's crazy to me that the BOE isn't even considering some obvious ways to reduce segregation and is in fact only looking at boundary options that increase segregation.

What are the obvious things that you mention? Send the kids from Potomac to Wheaton?

Of course not. I mean do what they claimed they would do - look at adjacent clusters. Like as mentioned above in this thread, WJ and Einstein and Wheaton where there are massive differences in FARMS rates. But it's not even being considered.

I am in WJ cluster and I am not that happy with the schools on this clyster and you are saying I need to send my kid to Einstein to balance the FARMS rate? I am responsible only for my kids at this point and I will do everything for my kids only.

We should start the national campaign that will promote education and stress that education starts from home. How is that not a priority in the 21st century I cannot understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[list]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing is unfair about some schools having high farms rate and others having low farms rate. Everyone makes decisions based on their priorities.

The bigger issue is the disparities in offerings between the schools.

I think the biggest issue is the lack of resources to support students living in poverty. At the high school level there is no significant funding to address the learning challenges associated with poverty. Extra money does help. https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/how-money-matters-factsheet

These high poverty high schools really are stretched thin for supporting low income kids. It would be easier if the high needs kids weren't so concentrated in certain schools. For example, we know experienced teachers are more effective and that wealthy schools attract more experienced teachers. It is better for low income kids to be in schools with more experienced teachers. The most cost effective way to do that is to reduce racial and economic segregation in schools.

Of course as a result of housing discrimination and exclusionary zoning in Montgomery County, it is hard not to concentrate poverty in certain schools, but it's crazy to me that the BOE isn't even considering some obvious ways to reduce segregation and is in fact only looking at boundary options that increase segregation.

What are the obvious things that you mention? Send the kids from Potomac to Wheaton?

Of course not. I mean do what they claimed they would do - look at adjacent clusters. Like as mentioned above in this thread, WJ and Einstein and Wheaton where there are massive differences in FARMS rates. But it's not even being considered.

I am in WJ cluster and I am not that happy with the schools on this clyster and you are saying I need to send my kid to Einstein to balance the FARMS rate? I am responsible only for my kids at this point and I will do everything for my kids only.

We should start the national campaign that will promote education and stress that education starts from home. How is that not a priority in the 21st century I cannot understand.

You sound really ignorant and selfish

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[list]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing is unfair about some schools having high farms rate and others having low farms rate. Everyone makes decisions based on their priorities.

The bigger issue is the disparities in offerings between the schools.

I think the biggest issue is the lack of resources to support students living in poverty. At the high school level there is no significant funding to address the learning challenges associated with poverty. Extra money does help. https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/how-money-matters-factsheet

These high poverty high schools really are stretched thin for supporting low income kids. It would be easier if the high needs kids weren't so concentrated in certain schools. For example, we know experienced teachers are more effective and that wealthy schools attract more experienced teachers. It is better for low income kids to be in schools with more experienced teachers. The most cost effective way to do that is to reduce racial and economic segregation in schools.

Of course as a result of housing discrimination and exclusionary zoning in Montgomery County, it is hard not to concentrate poverty in certain schools, but it's crazy to me that the BOE isn't even considering some obvious ways to reduce segregation and is in fact only looking at boundary options that increase segregation.

What are the obvious things that you mention? Send the kids from Potomac to Wheaton?

Of course not. I mean do what they claimed they would do - look at adjacent clusters. Like as mentioned above in this thread, WJ and Einstein and Wheaton where there are massive differences in FARMS rates. But it's not even being considered.

I am in WJ cluster and I am not that happy with the schools on this clyster and you are saying I need to send my kid to Einstein to balance the FARMS rate? I am responsible only for my kids at this point and I will do everything for my kids only.

We should start the national campaign that will promote education and stress that education starts from home. How is that not a priority in the 21st century I cannot understand.

Yes, you are responsible only for your kids, but the people making the decisions are responsible for all of the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Balancing the farms rate should have nothing to do with new boundaries. If you chose to buy in Einstein, you prioritized close in proximity over the school attendance zone.

If you cared about the school attendance zone, you could have bought a house in Poolesville for a similar price as Einstein. But instead you prioritized close in proximity to DC.

I - like many of my neighbors - chose to use my JD/PhD/MD for public service which means I have to go into work in person and don’t get paid the big bucks to do it. Yet my neighbors who chose to maximize $ think that somehow makes them and their kids more deserving than mine. This is the heart of my disgust with many of my fellow MoCo residents (fellow citizens too but that’s not the subject of this thread).

You prioritized commute time over the quality of your kids school. End of story. There are many phds that work in public service, commute to DC, and live in Howard County.