Two concepts should be banned in discussing boundary studies

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Anonymous wrote:Busing is going to happen

It's insane to concentrate all the poverty in certain schools. These schools don't get any money to help them address these kids' needs. What a world we live in that rich people are so selfish they want to keep all the poor kids out of their school. Jfc

And we know it's not just about bus rides. There are zero options considering putting ToK at Einstein which is their closest school. It's about property values that everyone knows are propped up by the legacy of redlining.

Gross.

The schools in the poorer areas get ALL the money! What are you even talking about? Title 1 schools get the funding. That’s how it works. maybe research before making comments. Have you been inside these schools in poor areas? Because they are in MUCH better condition with far more resources than the schools in the more affluent areas. They get priority for funding.

There are zero Title 1 or focus high schools, they absolutely do not get "all the money". In fact, wealthy schools have more experienced teachers who are paid more than less experienced teachers. None of this is tracked or accounted for in measures of per pupil funding, they just assign an average teacher cost, but personnel is by far the largest cost for schools.

And your statement about better conditions at high poverty schools is too ridiculous for words.

Have you been to the high poverty schools? because I have had to be in several for work and they are ALL in better condition then the higher rated schools my kids go to. So no it’s not ridiculous, it’s true.

I see. You see a few high poverty schools in good condition and you resent it because you think the wealthy schools should be nicer. Do any search for MCPS building conditions and you will find several examples of high poverty schools in such bad condition that they are a health hazard for students and staff.

Which neighborhoods are paying the taxes? Why shouldn't those kids get schools comparatively as nice as their homes?

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Boundaries should be based on school capacity and proximity only.

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Anonymous wrote:High FARMs schools receive additional funding, smaller class sizes and easier access to magnet programs.

I thought that they don't get extra funding & smaller classes sizes in HS.

Correct.

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Anonymous wrote:Busing is going to happen

It's insane to concentrate all the poverty in certain schools. These schools don't get any money to help them address these kids' needs. What a world we live in that rich people are so selfish they want to keep all the poor kids out of their school. Jfc

And we know it's not just about bus rides. There are zero options considering putting ToK at Einstein which is their closest school. It's about property values that everyone knows are propped up by the legacy of redlining.

The schools in the poorer areas get ALL the money! What are you even talking about? Title 1 schools get the funding. That’s how it works. maybe research before making comments. Have you been inside these schools in poor areas? Because they are in MUCH better condition with far more resources than the schools in the more affluent areas. They get priority for funding.

There are zero Title 1 or focus high schools, they absolutely do not get "all the money". In fact, wealthy schools have more experienced teachers who are paid more than less experienced teachers. None of this is tracked or accounted for in measures of per pupil funding, they just assign an average teacher cost, but personnel is by far the largest cost for schools.

And your statement about better conditions at high poverty schools is too ridiculous for words.

Have you been to the high poverty schools? because I have had to be in several for work and they are ALL in better condition then the higher rated schools my kids go to. So no it’s not ridiculous, it’s true.

I see. You see a few high poverty schools in good condition and you resent it because you think the wealthy schools should be nicer. Do any search for MCPS building conditions and you will find several examples of high poverty schools in such bad condition that they are a health hazard for students and staff.

Which neighborhoods are paying the taxes? Why shouldn't those kids get schools comparatively as nice as their homes?

Thank you for illustrating that what you think is that the schools with the highest needs should have the fewest resources

All the schools should get the same resources from the county. The neighborhoods should be allowed to chip in more if they want their school to be nicer.

What you are suggesting is privatizing public education.

It's actually a pretty common model in other parts of the country.

No it is not and in states that have that crap schools are only good if one can afford them and that is not the American way nor does it follow the Constitution of the US. There is not one study that shows that privatizing schools is a good idea and our Military died for the right for all children to have an education.

We are not moving to Christian Nationalism and having our tax $ pay for religious education.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Wisconsin, and Minnesota all use mostly town/city based school districts.

Honestly, it is mostly states with bad public school systems that use the county model- the south.

We only have a few towns so that wouldn''t work here.

You misunderstand. They're not part of the city government- they're independent entities. In many states, the school districts can levy taxes themselves. You don't need legally established towns since your district boundaries would need to include unincorporated areas anyway.

DP you must know this is never going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Busing is going to happen

It's insane to concentrate all the poverty in certain schools. These schools don't get any money to help them address these kids' needs. What a world we live in that rich people are so selfish they want to keep all the poor kids out of their school. Jfc

And we know it's not just about bus rides. There are zero options considering putting ToK at Einstein which is their closest school. It's about property values that everyone knows are propped up by the legacy of redlining.

The schools in the poorer areas get ALL the money! What are you even talking about? Title 1 schools get the funding. That’s how it works. maybe research before making comments. Have you been inside these schools in poor areas? Because they are in MUCH better condition with far more resources than the schools in the more affluent areas. They get priority for funding.

There are zero Title 1 or focus high schools, they absolutely do not get "all the money". In fact, wealthy schools have more experienced teachers who are paid more than less experienced teachers. None of this is tracked or accounted for in measures of per pupil funding, they just assign an average teacher cost, but personnel is by far the largest cost for schools.

And your statement about better conditions at high poverty schools is too ridiculous for words.

Have you been to the high poverty schools? because I have had to be in several for work and they are ALL in better condition then the higher rated schools my kids go to. So no it’s not ridiculous, it’s true.

I see. You see a few high poverty schools in good condition and you resent it because you think the wealthy schools should be nicer. Do any search for MCPS building conditions and you will find several examples of high poverty schools in such bad condition that they are a health hazard for students and staff.

Which neighborhoods are paying the taxes? Why shouldn't those kids get schools comparatively as nice as their homes?

Thank you for illustrating that what you think is that the schools with the highest needs should have the fewest resources

All the schools should get the same resources from the county. The neighborhoods should be allowed to chip in more if they want their school to be nicer.

What you are suggesting is privatizing public education.

It's actually a pretty common model in other parts of the country.

No it is not and in states that have that crap schools are only good if one can afford them and that is not the American way nor does it follow the Constitution of the US. There is not one study that shows that privatizing schools is a good idea and our Military died for the right for all children to have an education.

We are not moving to Christian Nationalism and having our tax $ pay for religious education.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Wisconsin, and Minnesota all use mostly town/city based school districts.

Honestly, it is mostly states with bad public school systems that use the county model- the south.

We only have a few towns so that wouldn''t work here.

You misunderstand. They're not part of the city government- they're independent entities. In many states, the school districts can levy taxes themselves. You don't need legally established towns since your district boundaries would need to include unincorporated areas anyway.

DP you must know this is never going to happen.

+1. This is Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Busing is going to happen

It's insane to concentrate all the poverty in certain schools. These schools don't get any money to help them address these kids' needs. What a world we live in that rich people are so selfish they want to keep all the poor kids out of their school. Jfc

And we know it's not just about bus rides. There are zero options considering putting ToK at Einstein which is their closest school. It's about property values that everyone knows are propped up by the legacy of redlining.

The schools in the poorer areas get ALL the money! What are you even talking about? Title 1 schools get the funding. That’s how it works. maybe research before making comments. Have you been inside these schools in poor areas? Because they are in MUCH better condition with far more resources than the schools in the more affluent areas. They get priority for funding.

There are zero Title 1 or focus high schools, they absolutely do not get "all the money". In fact, wealthy schools have more experienced teachers who are paid more than less experienced teachers. None of this is tracked or accounted for in measures of per pupil funding, they just assign an average teacher cost, but personnel is by far the largest cost for schools.

And your statement about better conditions at high poverty schools is too ridiculous for words.

Have you been to the high poverty schools? because I have had to be in several for work and they are ALL in better condition then the higher rated schools my kids go to. So no it’s not ridiculous, it’s true.

I see. You see a few high poverty schools in good condition and you resent it because you think the wealthy schools should be nicer. Do any search for MCPS building conditions and you will find several examples of high poverty schools in such bad condition that they are a health hazard for students and staff.

Which neighborhoods are paying the taxes? Why shouldn't those kids get schools comparatively as nice as their homes?

Thank you for illustrating that what you think is that the schools with the highest needs should have the fewest resources

All the schools should get the same resources from the county. The neighborhoods should be allowed to chip in more if they want their school to be nicer.

What you are suggesting is privatizing public education.

It's actually a pretty common model in other parts of the country.

No it is not and in states that have that crap schools are only good if one can afford them and that is not the American way nor does it follow the Constitution of the US. There is not one study that shows that privatizing schools is a good idea and our Military died for the right for all children to have an education.

We are not moving to Christian Nationalism and having our tax $ pay for religious education.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Wisconsin, and Minnesota all use mostly town/city based school districts.

Honestly, it is mostly states with bad public school systems that use the county model- the south.

We only have a few towns so that wouldn''t work here.

You misunderstand. They're not part of the city government- they're independent entities. In many states, the school districts can levy taxes themselves. You don't need legally established towns since your district boundaries would need to include unincorporated areas anyway.

DP you must know this is never going to happen.

My point was more than it could, not that it necessarily would or should.

I'm not convinced it won't happen, though. There are ways for it to happen progressively. e.g., establishing special tax districts associated with school clusters to fund capital costs.

I don't think it is imminent. But I think the current system will become politically intractable if the rich keep leaving for private school. Things would eventually reach a breaking point.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't there places where the nearest high school is over four miles away?

That is an exception. I meant a general rule. I just do not like busing a long distance as a tool for balancing FARMS.

Np I disagree. I don’t think they should let any school get over 15-20% farms.

In my neighborhood there are two elementary schools 1 mile apart. One has only 1m+ sfhs and a few townhouses. The other has 1m homes and then a new apartment complex was built. It’s now 60% farms. I think there would be a massive benefit in balancing the schools. Only the sfhs are within walking distance to both schools. The apartments are already bused from a mile away.

What a fantastic example of how out of touch some people on the wealthier side of the county are. “I don’t think they should let any school get over 15-20% FARMS.” And also, we should let them eat cake!

Here in reality, 44% of the students in the county are eligible for FARMS.

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Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

MCPS and the BOE do not co sider either of those 2 factors. Many inn-informed people who testify bring up property values, whis is an immediate turn off to the Board. Read the room, and advocate for what matters. To the Board of Education, property values ain't it.

They do not consider "busing," however they do consider walkability. So if your student is 1 mile from an ES, 1.5 miles from a MS, and 2 miles from a HS, they are in the walk zone for that school, which is seen as a positive. If there's a major road inbetween home and the school (Beltway, Georgia, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Old Georgetown, River, and others), even if close enough, they will get a bus

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Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

MCPS and the BOE do not co sider either of those 2 factors. Many inn-informed people who testify bring up property values, whis is an immediate turn off to the Board. Read the room, and advocate for what matters. To the Board of Education, property values ain't it.

They do not consider "busing," however they do consider walkability. So if your student is 1 mile from an ES, 1.5 miles from a MS, and 2 miles from a HS, they are in the walk zone for that school, which is seen as a positive. If there's a major road inbetween home and the school (Beltway, Georgia, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Old Georgetown, River, and others), even if close enough, they will get a bus

Not necessarily.

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Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

MCPS and the BOE do not co sider either of those 2 factors. Many inn-informed people who testify bring up property values, whis is an immediate turn off to the Board. Read the room, and advocate for what matters. To the Board of Education, property values ain't it.

They do not consider "busing," however they do consider walkability. So if your student is 1 mile from an ES, 1.5 miles from a MS, and 2 miles from a HS, they are in the walk zone for that school, which is seen as a positive. If there's a major road inbetween home and the school (Beltway, Georgia, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Old Georgetown, River, and others), even if close enough, they will get a bus

This is not true. Kids crossing Conn, Viers Mill, Georgia, Colesville Road don't get a bus. We don't get a bus and don't have sidewalks on top of crossing two dangerous roads. Maybe some schools get it but not all.

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Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

Property Value should be first. That is how we generate money to fund the schools. You idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:High FARMs schools receive additional funding, smaller class sizes and easier access to magnet programs.

not true for high school. only baby sitting with video games aka elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:With so many factors to balance in determining a final call, MCPS should not consider two things:
1) Property value
2) Busing (the most terrible idea since its inception)

here we go with the leftists. cancel culture.

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I wish they’d just draw a radius of 3 miles all the way around a high school.

5 miles to hs is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they’d just draw a radius of 3 miles all the way around a high school.

5 miles to hs is stupid.

Tell that to the families that live 7 miles from Whitman