Why is the McLean high pyramid over crowded with crappy buildings and teachers but pays high tax

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mclean area is taxed more highly than other parts of Fairfax county? Do tell.

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We all pay the same property tax rate.

McLean pays more in taxes dimwit. It has higher home values.

Still the same rate, as others have said.

Don't tie property taxes to home values if you want to make it equal

OMG. I recognize you from the old Credence Clearwater Revival song Fortunate Son!

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord?
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah


Percentage based taxes are fair. And let’s not forget that the big McMansions are less environmentally friendly. They produce more runoff, make areas more prone to flooding/water pooling, etc. I swear, some monied DCUMers must come from some very corrupt communities.

Wow boomer

i

So you agree!

BTW LOL not a boomer, I just don’t live in a stunted music bubble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mclean area is taxed more highly than other parts of Fairfax county? Do tell.

+1
We all pay the same property tax rate.

McLean pays more in taxes dimwit. It has higher home values.

Still the same rate, as others have said.

Don't tie property taxes to home values if you want to make it equal

OMG. I recognize you from the old Credence Clearwater Revival song Fortunate Son!

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord?
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah


Percentage based taxes are fair. And let’s not forget that the big McMansions are less environmentally friendly. They produce more runoff, make areas more prone to flooding/water pooling, etc. I swear, some monied DCUMers must come from some very corrupt communities.

Wow boomer

i

So you agree!

BTW LOL not a boomer, I just don’t live in a stunted music bubble.

You sound old like over 45

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mclean area is taxed more highly than other parts of Fairfax county? Do tell.

+1
We all pay the same property tax rate.

McLean pays more in taxes dimwit. It has higher home values.

Still the same rate, as others have said.

Obviously people in a $2M house pay more in taxes than people in a $500k house. They are in fact paying more to live in that school zone.

No, they are paying more to live in a luxurious, large house valued at $2 million. The fact some people award it invisible brownie points because it's in the McLean pyramid should be inconsequential. Property taxes are based on value of land and building. There's no "school" category.

You can make the argument that the land is tied to pyramid, but that was never the intention. That's an artificial mark-up given by buyers and sellers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mclean area is taxed more highly than other parts of Fairfax county? Do tell.

+1
We all pay the same property tax rate.

McLean pays more in taxes dimwit. It has higher home values.

Still the same rate, as others have said.

Obviously people in a $2M house pay more in taxes than people in a $500k house. They are in fact paying more to live in that school zone.

No, they are paying more to live in a luxurious, large house valued at $2 million. The fact some people award it invisible brownie points because it's in the McLean pyramid should be inconsequential. Property taxes are based on value of land and building. There's no "school" category.

You can make the argument that the land is tied to pyramid, but that was never the intention. That's an artificial mark-up given by buyers and sellers.

There’s like one person making the “brownie points” argument and you’re pretending it’s the prevailing sentiment. It makes one think you’re actually in favor of affirmatively discriminating against the pyramid because of the relative affluence of some of its residents. They just want to receive the same consideration as other pyramids like Justice, Madison, etc.

[Anonymous]

Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

West Springfield isn’t high ses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “worse shape overall accounting for other factors.” Chantilly and McLean are clearly the two most overcrowded schools for which FCPS has not developed any good facilities plan, and Justice and Madison both got additions outside the queue in recent years even though both are newer than McLean and less crowded than both Chantilly and McLean.

Are you suggesting FCPS should not address the facilities needs of certain schools unless their test scores are among the lowest in the county? If so, that’s a guaranteed race to the bottom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mclean area is taxed more highly than other parts of Fairfax county? Do tell.

+1
We all pay the same property tax rate.

McLean pays more in taxes dimwit. It has higher home values.

Still the same rate, as others have said.

Don't tie property taxes to home values if you want to make it equal

OMG. I recognize you from the old Credence Clearwater Revival song Fortunate Son!

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord?
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah


Percentage based taxes are fair. And let’s not forget that the big McMansions are less environmentally friendly. They produce more runoff, make areas more prone to flooding/water pooling, etc. I swear, some monied DCUMers must come from some very corrupt communities.

Wow boomer

i

So you agree!

BTW LOL not a boomer, I just don’t live in a stunted music bubble.

You sound old like over 45

Wrong again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mclean area is taxed more highly than other parts of Fairfax county? Do tell.

+1
We all pay the same property tax rate.

McLean pays more in taxes dimwit. It has higher home values.

Still the same rate, as others have said.

Obviously people in a $2M house pay more in taxes than people in a $500k house. They are in fact paying more to live in that school zone.

No, they are paying more to live in a luxurious, large house valued at $2 million. The fact some people award it invisible brownie points because it's in the McLean pyramid should be inconsequential. Property taxes are based on value of land and building. There's no "school" category.

You can make the argument that the land is tied to pyramid, but that was never the intention. That's an artificial mark-up given by buyers and sellers.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

There is too much construction in McLean. That school was never meant to accommodate that many students.
This is a fail at the ffx government level as well as the school board level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “worse shape overall accounting for other factors.” Chantilly and McLean are clearly the two most overcrowded schools for which FCPS has not developed any good facilities plan, and Justice and Madison both got additions outside the queue in recent years even though both are newer than McLean and less crowded than both Chantilly and McLean.

Are you suggesting FCPS should not address the facilities needs of certain schools unless their test scores are among the lowest in the county? If so, that’s a guaranteed race to the bottom.

So, you’re ok moving kids from McLean to Justice then? Didn’t think so. My guess is SB added onto Justice because it was overcrowded and they knew it would unpopular to move Justice kids elsewhere, just like it would go over like a lead balloon to move McLean kids to Justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “worse shape overall accounting for other factors.” Chantilly and McLean are clearly the two most overcrowded schools for which FCPS has not developed any good facilities plan, and Justice and Madison both got additions outside the queue in recent years even though both are newer than McLean and less crowded than both Chantilly and McLean.

Are you suggesting FCPS should not address the facilities needs of certain schools unless their test scores are among the lowest in the county? If so, that’s a guaranteed race to the bottom.

So, you’re ok moving kids from McLean to Justice then? Didn’t think so. My guess is SB added onto Justice because it was overcrowded and they knew it would unpopular to move Justice kids elsewhere, just like it would go over like a lead balloon to move McLean kids to Justice.

Wait, so you’re saying they expanded Justice to contain the students there, like it’s some kind of penal colony?

The excuses for poor planning and disparate treatment in FCPS just keep getting weirder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “worse shape overall accounting for other factors.” Chantilly and McLean are clearly the two most overcrowded schools for which FCPS has not developed any good facilities plan, and Justice and Madison both got additions outside the queue in recent years even though both are newer than McLean and less crowded than both Chantilly and McLean.

Are you suggesting FCPS should not address the facilities needs of certain schools unless their test scores are among the lowest in the county? If so, that’s a guaranteed race to the bottom.

So, you’re ok moving kids from McLean to Justice then? Didn’t think so. My guess is SB added onto Justice because it was overcrowded and they knew it would unpopular to move Justice kids elsewhere, just like it would go over like a lead balloon to move McLean kids to Justice.

Wait, so you’re saying they expanded Justice to contain the students there, like it’s some kind of penal colony?

The excuses for poor planning and disparate treatment in FCPS just keep getting weirder.

Whoa. This is a good question.

If McLean is sooooo decrepit, maybe it should be knocked down entirely and rebuilt while it’s feeder students are temporarily accommodated elsewhere. Or … While a new site can sought elsewhere to put a little more separation from Langley (they are very close). Maybe it could go in the heart of Tysons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “worse shape overall accounting for other factors.” Chantilly and McLean are clearly the two most overcrowded schools for which FCPS has not developed any good facilities plan, and Justice and Madison both got additions outside the queue in recent years even though both are newer than McLean and less crowded than both Chantilly and McLean.

Are you suggesting FCPS should not address the facilities needs of certain schools unless their test scores are among the lowest in the county? If so, that’s a guaranteed race to the bottom.

So, you’re ok moving kids from McLean to Justice then? Didn’t think so. My guess is SB added onto Justice because it was overcrowded and they knew it would unpopular to move Justice kids elsewhere, just like it would go over like a lead balloon to move McLean kids to Justice.

Wait, so you’re saying they expanded Justice to contain the students there, like it’s some kind of penal colony?

The excuses for poor planning and disparate treatment in FCPS just keep getting weirder.

Whoa. This is a good question.

If McLean is sooooo decrepit, maybe it should be knocked down entirely and rebuilt while it’s feeder students are temporarily accommodated elsewhere. Or … While a new site can sought elsewhere to put a little more separation from Langley (they are very close). Maybe it could go in the heart of Tysons.

Langley and McLean are not as close to each other as Oakton and Madison. Oakton and Langley have both been expanded and renovated and Madison just got an addition. McLean needed an addition more than Madison did. Jeff Platenberg was just a very poor planner.

They do have a site for an urban elementary school in Tysons. It will be great if that school gets built. They’ve identified no such site for a high or secondary school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your argument would have a point if McLean was the only one being ostracized. There are plenty of other pyramids that haven't had a renovation recently and are arguably in a worse state overall accounting for other factors like Lewis, Annandale, Westfield, Mt. Vernon. They would like to receive consideration too. Is it the kids' fault they're poor and their parents don't pay as much tax?
This isn't really about the wealthy being punished. Oakton, West Springfield, and Langley have been given the luxury treatment despite their high SES. It's bias by the school board that allows this to happen.

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “worse shape overall accounting for other factors.” Chantilly and McLean are clearly the two most overcrowded schools for which FCPS has not developed any good facilities plan, and Justice and Madison both got additions outside the queue in recent years even though both are newer than McLean and less crowded than both Chantilly and McLean.

Are you suggesting FCPS should not address the facilities needs of certain schools unless their test scores are among the lowest in the county? If so, that’s a guaranteed race to the bottom.

So, you’re ok moving kids from McLean to Justice then? Didn’t think so. My guess is SB added onto Justice because it was overcrowded and they knew it would unpopular to move Justice kids elsewhere, just like it would go over like a lead balloon to move McLean kids to Justice.

Wait, so you’re saying they expanded Justice to contain the students there, like it’s some kind of penal colony?

The excuses for poor planning and disparate treatment in FCPS just keep getting weirder.

Whoa. This is a good question.

If McLean is sooooo decrepit, maybe it should be knocked down entirely and rebuilt while it’s feeder students are temporarily accommodated elsewhere. Or … While a new site can sought elsewhere to put a little more separation from Langley (they are very close). Maybe it could go in the heart of Tysons.

Langley and McLean are not as close to each other as Oakton and Madison. Oakton and Langley have both been expanded and renovated and Madison just got an addition. McLean needed an addition more than Madison did. Jeff Platenberg was just a very poor planner.

They do have a site for an urban elementary school in Tysons. It will be great if that school gets built. They’ve identified no such site for a high or secondary school.

The renovated and expanded Oakton HS is beautiful. It has one of those amphitheater style terraced seating areas for informal learning and socializing that FCPS is constructing in the remodeled high schools. The new main entrance is iconic and welcoming. Same with the new Madison entry and library that has lots of glazing to let light in. I can’t wait to see what Falls Church will look like when completed.

I like the present location of McLean HS since it is highly walkable to the surrounding neighborhood. It would be ideal if FCPS renovates it or completely rebuilds it on its current site. Hopefully we don’t have to wait twenty years. Fingers crossed.