Nanny or Daycare?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

DP. Lady relax. Maybe there are valid criticisms/limitations of that study, but your response comes across as if he are an unhinged member of the local nanny’s union. It leads me to question your interpretation of the study.

OMG, I was in daycare for the duration of this study! It’s so dated, PP.

And that is a valid reason to question the study. But, the fact that the data is old doesn’t inherently mean it is no longer accurate. It certainly doesn’t mean that citing to it is “spreading false information.”

I’m not necessarily here to defend the study, which may or may not be well done and/or still relevant. I was merely pointing out that your reaction to the study was entirely over the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

BTW all of the teachers at DD's daycare have college degrees or are working on them. And it's not expensive compared to other centers I visited.

Where's this unicorn center?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

I'm the PP who posted it. As is typical on DCUM, it's flawed because she doesn't like the conclusions. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

The study doesn’t distinguish the types of home child care. It’s lumping nannies, grandparents, great-grandparents, tee siblings, other relatives, unlicensed childcare of more than five babies (common in low income areas) and babysitters in one group. Makes it useless in discussing nanny vs daycare or the safety of daycare in comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

I'm the PP who posted it. As is typical on DCUM, it's flawed because she doesn't like the conclusions. Lol.

Stop embarrassing yourself, PP. You’ve already admitted this study is dated and flawed in not distinguishing “home care givers” and, obviously, it’s using data from 1993!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

I'm the PP who posted it. As is typical on DCUM, it's flawed because she doesn't like the conclusions. Lol.

Stop embarrassing yourself, PP. You’ve already admitted this study is dated and flawed in not distinguishing “home care givers” and, obviously, it’s using data from 1993!

I am not the one who is embarrassing herself. But I'm not surprised that nannies and people who hire them would react so aggressively to a someone simply quoting a study that provides information relevant to the OP's question. Yes, it's old, but the factors and issues it describes are still very relevant. If it were a study comparing safety of SUVs vs sedans, perhaps you'd have a point. As to the question of "real" nannies, that's hilarious given that nannies aren't required to have a license or other credential, so it would be impossible for a researcher to identify which ones are "real" and which ones are just "babysitters". If you have other, newer, better studies that speak to this issue, you are welcome to post them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

I'm the PP who posted it. As is typical on DCUM, it's flawed because she doesn't like the conclusions. Lol.

Stop embarrassing yourself, PP. You’ve already admitted this study is dated and flawed in not distinguishing “home care givers” and, obviously, it’s using data from 1993!

I am not the one who is embarrassing herself. But I'm not surprised that nannies and people who hire them would react so aggressively to a someone simply quoting a study that provides information relevant to the OP's question. Yes, it's old, but the factors and issues it describes are still very relevant. If it were a study comparing safety of SUVs vs sedans, perhaps you'd have a point. As to the question of "real" nannies, that's hilarious given that nannies aren't required to have a license or other credential, so it would be impossible for a researcher to identify which ones are "real" and which ones are just "babysitters". If you have other, newer, better studies that speak to this issue, you are welcome to post them.

The point people are trying to impress upon you is that this study is irrelevant. It’s not about “real nannies” at all. The category was all at-home childcare. Do you think grandmothers and great-grandmothers are nannies? Or a great aunt of teenage sibling?

You just seem to want to bash nannies and it is embarrassing for you. We all see your jealousy, PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

I'm the PP who posted it. As is typical on DCUM, it's flawed because she doesn't like the conclusions. Lol.

Stop embarrassing yourself, PP. You’ve already admitted this study is dated and flawed in not distinguishing “home care givers” and, obviously, it’s using data from 1993!

I am not the one who is embarrassing herself. But I'm not surprised that nannies and people who hire them would react so aggressively to a someone simply quoting a study that provides information relevant to the OP's question. Yes, it's old, but the factors and issues it describes are still very relevant. If it were a study comparing safety of SUVs vs sedans, perhaps you'd have a point. As to the question of "real" nannies, that's hilarious given that nannies aren't required to have a license or other credential, so it would be impossible for a researcher to identify which ones are "real" and which ones are just "babysitters". If you have other, newer, better studies that speak to this issue, you are welcome to post them.

The point people are trying to impress upon you is that this study is irrelevant. It’s not about “real nannies” at all. The category was all at-home childcare. Do you think grandmothers and great-grandmothers are nannies? Or a great aunt of teenage sibling?

You just seem to want to bash nannies and it is embarrassing for you. We all see your jealousy, PP.

No but think what you like. You should read the study. It is interesting.

[Anonymous]

By the way, they excluded cases where the child was in the care of a relative (see page 733). It's not a perfect study (no study on this topic could be), but it really does provide some interesting information, particularly on the striking safety of centers but also child care in general. If anything, this study is anti-SAHP, since most fatalities due to neglect or abuse occur while the child is in the care of parents. But for the OP, you might find the last paragraph on page 737 interesting - while infants are the most vulnerable to death from abuse and neglect versus older children, infant deaths in centers are extremely, extremely rare (they only found one case of a death in a center).

https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an almost 4-month-old and I’m going back to work part-time. My MIL will be watching our baby until we hire a nanny or put him daycare at six months old. My hope was to go back part-time for the first year, but we are finding it hard to find a nanny willing to commit long-term working part-time. We are on the waitlist and have a spot opening up for us when my son will be six months old. The daycare is highly rated and close to us. There are pros and cons to both but I think having a nanny while young will be the best option. We would like to have a nanny but I will likely have to go back full-time. I’m really struggling with what to do.

Up your $ offer for a PT nanny. Or offer to help the nanny find another family who needs her when you don’t. When I worked for several regular families each week, I was very happy with my earnings. Best of all, I knew the children were getting more time with their families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

DP. Lady relax. Maybe there are valid criticisms/limitations of that study, but your response comes across as if he are an unhinged member of the local nanny’s union. It leads me to question your interpretation of the study.

OMG, I was in daycare for the duration of this study! It’s so dated, PP.

I graduated in 03... You don’t think things have changed a bit since then?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to chime in, we love our daycare center. It has its pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
- More oversight from director and other teachers means daycare centers are the safest form of child care, though child care is generally safe.
- They provide different toys than what you have at home.
- Center takes care of recruiting, training and background checking employees. The infant teachers at DD's daycare are fantastic, and I've learned a ton from them.
- Very rarely does a center close unexpectedly. You generally know when the center will be closed and can plan for that.

Minuses
- The time it takes to transport and drop off baby at daycare is a significant chunk of your and your baby's day. It really is exhausting.
- Your baby will catch colds and other bugs at daycare in the winter and bring them home. It's not always catastrophic - my DD has really only had one ear infection and a minor tummy bug this winter- but it does happen. And sometimes as was the case for me, you will get sicker than your baby.
- Naps can be challenging. I'm amazed that my baby can get some pretty good naps in at her daycare, which does not have a separate nap room (it did take a while to adjust), but she definitely sleeps better at home.

Daycare is not the safest form of childcare! Babies have died in daycare and you have no clue how the teachers are screened! We go to a really good daycare/preschool and they have cameras - but don’t let the parents watch/check which I don’t understand. My son fell hard and put his teeth thru his bottom lip and they still refused to let me see the footage of how it happened. A teacher said he was walking with his hands in his pockets and fell. I’ve never seen him put his hands in his pockets but whatever.

None of the teachers have even bachelors degrees. There is little individual attention.

We were so much happier with our nanny! We have cameras at home and could check in on him at any time.

However, we just couldn’t afford to keep her and had no choice but to do daycare. So we chose the very best one we could find.

All that said,

Yes it is. https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

"For 1993 through 2003, the overall fatality rate per 100,000 children in child care was 0.71 using the NHES and 0.83 using the SIPP. Child care is quite safe as compared with other settings in which children spend time, and deaths in child care make up only a small part of overall injury mortality in the age group. This is in line with the findings of Currie and Hotz (2001), who reported that child care provides a generally safe environment, partly because motor vehicle accidents are less likely in child care, although not one without significant risks. Analysis of the data on fatalities, however, shows that there are striking differences in the safety of different types of care and among children of different ages. Areas of high vulnerability are concealed in overall fatality rates"

"We compared fatality rates by age group and type of care for 1993 through 2003. The fatality rate in centers for children 0 to 4 years of age is 0.11 per 100,000 children enrolled. Family day care, offered in the provider’s home, is less
safe, with a fatality rate of 1.58. Care in the child’s own home is the least safe, with a fatality rate of 2.06".

That OLD report does not distinguish actual nannies from grandmothers, babysitters, or other family members doing childcare.

Shame on you for spreading false information.

+1. Ridiculously old and flawed “study”. Why would anyone quote it? Just to trash parents who can hire nannies?

Aside from the age of the study, how is it flawed?

Center is defined. In the home of the provider is defined. But there’s no distinction for caregivers in the child’s home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way, they excluded cases where the child was in the care of a relative (see page 733). It's not a perfect study (no study on this topic could be), but it really does provide some interesting information, particularly on the striking safety of centers but also child care in general. If anything, this study is anti-SAHP, since most fatalities due to neglect or abuse occur while the child is in the care of parents. But for the OP, you might find the last paragraph on page 737 interesting - while infants are the most vulnerable to death from abuse and neglect versus older children, infant deaths in centers are extremely, extremely rare (they only found one case of a death in a center).

https://www.keanelaw.com/library/childCarefatalities2003.pdf

Did they look at all other signs or abuse/neglect or only severe cases, like fatalities?