What is your take on the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt divorce saga? What happened on the plane?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, based on their histories, Brad is a more believable one, but I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he got into when he hooked up with that crazy woman. It's no surprise that he has to pay for it.

True. And I'm assuming he wanted kids -- but I seriously doubt he wanted 10 of them or whatever they had and adopted.

Agree. She is a crazy loon. When she was married to Billy Bob Thornton, she wore a blood vile around her neck. She is a true drama queen and turned the kids against Brad.

The kids were not little when the plane incident occurred. Except for maybe the two youngest, they have clear memories of what happened and can form their own opinions about BP's parenting. Had she encouraged reunification, would things be different? Probably. But she was the primary victim of his abuse, and has no real obligation to make things easier for him. To me, the proof is in the pudding. He's jaunting around with a girlfriend who's half his age. He doesn't exactly come across as serious, and who knows if he's still drinking and smoking dope. He's an entitled white man who's been given a pass his whole adult life (exhibit A: his cruel treatment of Jennifer Aniston). Just because he has a lot of friendly acquaintances in the industry doesn't mean he's actually a good person.

this. And he's only a quasi decent actor.

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Why do you think Angelina is a saint? Do you not remember her stint with Billy Bob Thorton? Angelina also played a part in treating Jennifer badly and went on to have interviews about how they met when Brad was married and the love of her life. She's also acting like a bitter ex and using the kids as leverage. There's no doubt she is using some emotional blackmail with the kids against their dad. Give her credit where it's due.

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FBI report claims SHE attacked him first. The kids either joined in or tried to separate them. I think that might be when, if at all, one of the kids got hurt.

She’s also been warned by the judge regarding parent alienation.

The Pitt’s family goes to Santa Barbara to celebrate family events. The Jolie-Pitt kids have attended. The nieces even took them back to Jolie’s house and Jolie served them lunch. This was on the nieces IG accounts.

So he does see his kids, he just doesn’t parade them around for pap walks.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you think Angelina is a saint? Do you not remember her stint with Billy Bob Thorton? Angelina also played a part in treating Jennifer badly and went on to have interviews about how they met when Brad was married and the love of her life. She's also acting like a bitter ex and using the kids as leverage. There's no doubt she is using some emotional blackmail with the kids against their dad. Give her credit where it's due.

No-one said she's a saint, but hard to deny she was the victim of Pitt's abuse. She doesn't owe him anything. He had the best lawyers in the world. If he couldn't get 50-50 custody once the judge who had business conflicts favoring his side was booted, there was more to this that supported her position. The kids don't seem to want to see him. Although alienation happens, they were old enough to allow a relationship with him if they wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI report claims SHE attacked him first. The kids either joined in or tried to separate them. I think that might be when, if at all, one of the kids got hurt.

She’s also been warned by the judge regarding parent alienation.

The Pitt’s family goes to Santa Barbara to celebrate family events. The Jolie-Pitt kids have attended. The nieces even took them back to Jolie’s house and Jolie served them lunch. This was on the nieces IG accounts.

So he does see his kids, he just doesn’t parade them around for pap walks.

You're reading sketchy sites, with no evidence. First, you need to reread the report. SHE attacked him, are you for real? He shook her, hitting her head against the wall, screaming at her and pouring beer all over her, then went after one of the kids that tried to protect her. She jumped on his back to prevent him from hurting the child. The judge you're citing was disqualified by the Supreme Court of California for being in Pitt's pocket in terms of business interests. The kids have been sighted all over LA, out and about, but never once with him. We now know his eldest daughter has dropped his surname. Sometimes women are the absolute worst in defending corrupt abusers.

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I tend to be a "the truth lies somewhere in the middle," as I suspect is the case here. There were legitimate differences in parenting philosophies, especially concerning stability and schooling, but there is no excuse for his abuse. He seems to take no responsibility for his life choices. If he wanted sweet, God-fearing milquetoast kids like his nieces and nephews, he should have married a partner who wanted the same things. He married an infamous wild child who wanted the kids to experience the world from a young age and be more artistic and less conventional. She didn't misrepresent herself, and he was all in at first. Having always done more than his fair share of pot and booze, his problems became worse and escalated to addiction and abuse. You have to remember while he was devolving, right around the time they got married, the kids were still little and she was the primary parent that whole time. Despite her wild child past, they've always known her as the stable one who took care of them. Of course they're loyal to her. And they seem like nice kids who are fairly normal despite everything, no acting out and nary an influencer among them. She deserves credit for taking good care of them during such a tumultuous and vulnerable period in their lives. Maybe at some point they'll reconcile with their father, but I don't have a clue whether or not he deserves it. Maybe, maybe not.

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The kids are also old enough to understand he was punishing Jolie financially. Unwilling to give a generous settlement, buy her Miraval shares on favorable terms, mandating an NDA etc. all while buying new gazillion dollar properties for himself and taking married GFs to vacation at what was billed as the family home...he's a piece of work. I'm sure she's no angel, but he seems like a first-rate jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids are also old enough to understand he was punishing Jolie financially. Unwilling to give a generous settlement, buy her Miraval shares on favorable terms, mandating an NDA etc. all while buying new gazillion dollar properties for himself and taking married GFs to vacation at what was billed as the family home...he's a piece of work. I'm sure she's no angel, but he seems like a first-rate jerk.

The divorce is still not final because of the financial and custody disputes, correct? Don't the kids basically get to decide after age 14, so the latter point's moot now? I know the financial piece can take years but it has been years, so when does it ever end? I can only imagine how much money the lawyers have made.
(I assume it's not ending because both hate each other and won't yield...)

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Anonymous wrote:The kids are also old enough to understand he was punishing Jolie financially. Unwilling to give a generous settlement, buy her Miraval shares on favorable terms, mandating an NDA etc. all while buying new gazillion dollar properties for himself and taking married GFs to vacation at what was billed as the family home...he's a piece of work. I'm sure she's no angel, but he seems like a first-rate jerk.

I had forgotten about the married GF. What was she, like 25 at the time? I wonder if the new one is actually serious. Don't think she's divorced yet either.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids are also old enough to understand he was punishing Jolie financially. Unwilling to give a generous settlement, buy her Miraval shares on favorable terms, mandating an NDA etc. all while buying new gazillion dollar properties for himself and taking married GFs to vacation at what was billed as the family home...he's a piece of work. I'm sure she's no angel, but he seems like a first-rate jerk.

She's broke and he's not - so that means he's punishing her? Why is she broke? For the usual Hollywood reasons - she spent a lot of money. I mean, a lot. In a bitter divorce, why would he help her financially? They are not amicable. There's no reason that he should act like they are.

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This is so old. Nobody cares anymore. Thread resurrector should move on too.

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Anonymous wrote:I tend to be a "the truth lies somewhere in the middle," as I suspect is the case here. There were legitimate differences in parenting philosophies, especially concerning stability and schooling, but there is no excuse for his abuse. He seems to take no responsibility for his life choices. If he wanted sweet, God-fearing milquetoast kids like his nieces and nephews, he should have married a partner who wanted the same things. He married an infamous wild child who wanted the kids to experience the world from a young age and be more artistic and less conventional. She didn't misrepresent herself, and he was all in at first. Having always done more than his fair share of pot and booze, his problems became worse and escalated to addiction and abuse. You have to remember while he was devolving, right around the time they got married, the kids were still little and she was the primary parent that whole time. Despite her wild child past, they've always known her as the stable one who took care of them. Of course they're loyal to her. And they seem like nice kids who are fairly normal despite everything, no acting out and nary an influencer among them. She deserves credit for taking good care of them during such a tumultuous and vulnerable period in their lives. Maybe at some point they'll reconcile with their father, but I don't have a clue whether or not he deserves it. Maybe, maybe not.

The kids have grown up well (except for the lack of education), that's true. But no, she wasn't the "primary parent". The kids each had their own nanny and their own governess. They were not raised by their mother or their father. They saw their mother occasionally and their father rarely then never after the divorce.

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Anonymous wrote:So funny how people who don’t know them judge them and accuse child abuse with no other source other than tabloids. I suppose only time will tell if there really is abuse. For now, the kids “look” like normal kids, and they look happy. Too bad the marriage didn’t work out.

The adopted children seem to have nothing to do with him. Zahara joined a Spelman sorority, lovely to see. As part of the ritual she danced and said her name: "Zahara Marley Jolie." No more Pitt. https://www.etonline.com/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitts-daughter-zahara-marley-joins-a-sorority-at-spelman-college-214997?fbclid=IwAR0r2fjAH92jY46FSdO-tct1AXZey6d3lf-1p_uaMAEv4z_aNYo43S27KPY

I think what happened on that plane was ugly. Although I'd like to think forgiveness would be possible once someone gets clean, apparently neither Jolie nor a number of the kids were willing to forgive him. Perhaps he never took proper responsibility for his actions that day, who knows. I've always wondered if he even remembers them clearly. I suspect he tried to punish her financially for "outing" him, as it were. Maybe she retaliated by withholding the kids, or genuinely was anxious about their wellbeing in his care. He wouldn't release her Miraval investment, so she sold from under him. Just ugly, all the way around. Hope the kids will be okay. Zahara seems to be thriving. The older boys seem a bit lost, but they're still young (appears the oldest boy dropped out of college).

Interesting that the rumors about Zahara's birth mother and birth family continue to swirl, including recent posts possibly prompted by this one. Apparently there were issues with the adoption and differing stories about her birth mother, including Angelina Jolie at one point stating that she was dead while at another point promising access which never happened.

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Def gonna be a tell-all by one of the kids some day.

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Anonymous wrote:Def gonna be a tell-all by one of the kids some day.

They don't seem like the types that would want that kind of attention, but who knows.