Changes to UVA's Business Program/McIntire School of Commerce

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA intended to offer undergraduate business programs, they would have housed them within Darden. McIntire is not officially designated as a business school by UVA. So, why are you referring to it as such?

Because it is the business school. Must we have this argument again?

No matter how frequently you label a donkey as a horse, it will never metamorphose into a horse. Likewise, the University of Virginia (UVA) encompasses both a business school and a commerce school, each with its distinct purpose. Currently, Darden (the business school) does not provide any undergraduate courses or programs.

Oh we’re doing this again. Why do you believe that the “commerce” major is not a business major? McIntire’s BS in Commerce. offers concentrations in finance, accounting, management, IT management, and marketing. If those are not business concentrations I don’t know what is.

And McIntire is the undergrad business program at UVA. Anyone can google it. Why are you being obstinate? It is what it is. Not all “business” programs were named “business” when they started. Some chiropractors went to osteopath school shall I continue?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now it is a three-year vs two-year program. The school of commerce at UVA is $10K more per year, does this mean they will start charging it a year earlier?

The UVA McINTIRE School is not $10 more a year. Total for 2024 students will be $44k. The College of arts & Sciences is $37k. If you subtract the $3200 for health insurance, as we did (keep your kids in your own policy) and don’t include transportation the cost is $38,750. Also by year two, when the new program starts, your student can move off campus saving much of that $26,599 room and board. DS moved into group housing- four men -and did his own cooking and walked everywhere. So, conceivably, you can do it for less than Arts & Sciences. If your child stayed on room and board for the three years and paid for insurance and travel only then would McIntire be some $6k more x 3 years but it’s rare to be in a dorm that long. Considering USC and Northeastern have blown by $90k a year I think this is very good deal

I’m gonna disagree with you here, in state CAS tuition is $21730 for 2/3 years and McIntire is $30,336. No you can’t do McIntire for less than the College. Yes you can do better in off grounds housing than dorms but the tuition is what it is. It’s an $8700 difference.

Nope. McIntire’s instate tuition is $26,716 for 2023-24.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s an interesting change. My DC did not apply to UVA because of wanting to definitely be able to major in business. This change would likely not have changed our perspective and it will be interesting to see if they eventually go to direct admit.

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UVA was missing out to students attending more prestigious business programs. Let’s see if UVA can keep upnow.

Uh the UVA Darden school was founded in 1955 and Bloomberg places at no 3 for MBAs in the USAs. And McIntire is the undergrad program. You can find both on wiki

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now it is a three-year vs two-year program. The school of commerce at UVA is $10K more per year, does this mean they will start charging it a year earlier?

The UVA McINTIRE School is not $10 more a year. Total for 2024 students will be $44k. The College of arts & Sciences is $37k. If you subtract the $3200 for health insurance, as we did (keep your kids in your own policy) and don’t include transportation the cost is $38,750. Also by year two, when the new program starts, your student can move off campus saving much of that $26,599 room and board. DS moved into group housing- four men -and did his own cooking and walked everywhere. So, conceivably, you can do it for less than Arts & Sciences. If your child stayed on room and board for the three years and paid for insurance and travel only then would McIntire be some $6k more x 3 years but it’s rare to be in a dorm that long. Considering USC and Northeastern have blown by $90k a year I think this is very good deal

I’m gonna disagree with you here, in state CAS tuition is $21730 for 2/3 years and McIntire is $30,336. No you can’t do McIntire for less than the College. Yes you can do better in off grounds housing than dorms but the tuition is what it is. It’s an $8700 difference.

Nope. McIntire’s instate tuition is $26,716 for 2023-24.

Ugh your ignorance is showing. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2023-2024

The fees of $3k are mandatory fees just as they are for the College and every other school. So sure you could technically say tuition is $26k+ but mandatory fees bring it to $30k. It’s an $8700 per year difference. No way around that. My kid is in Batten which is the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s an interesting change. My DC did not apply to UVA because of wanting to definitely be able to major in business. This change would likely not have changed our perspective and it will be interesting to see if they eventually go to direct admit.

+1

UVA was missing out to students attending more prestigious business programs. Let’s see if UVA can keep upnow.

Part of running a business is risk management. To many good business programs out there to risk a second hurdle to get into a business program.

Waiting one year or two years to clear the hurdle does not change the equation. No value in the change unless this is a path to direct admit and some senior leader at UVA is slow to grasp the advantage of direct admit.

Exactly, Which tells me that any investment in such a "business school" is a non sequitor, regarding UVA. They just are not a thing, when it comes to truly business minded individuals, and they are not on the radar of those who are above and beyond. McIntyre misjudged and missed the boat - they would fail their own metric.

Have you been drinking?

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Whatever changes UVA is making in its business schools, it’s undergraduate ranking is dropping every year at USNWR.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever changes UVA is making in its business schools, [url]it’s undergraduate ranking is dropping every year at USNWR.

Funny you would say that because the new rankings for USNWR were released this evening, and contrary to what you say, UVA has moved up to 24 from 25 in the nation.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the update. This is why uva is the best public university. It's a public ivy.

Honest question from an outsider: Why is that? Having a prestigious three year undergraduate business program is what makes a school Ivy? What classes do you take (which others outside McIntire cannot)?

This person is a troll. She posts the same thing verbatim in threads totally unrelated to UVA too. It’s just an attempt to derail the discussion into a debate over ranking/prestige.

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Anonymous wrote:So now it is a three-year vs two-year program. The school of commerce at UVA is $10K more per year, does this mean they will start charging it a year earlier?

The UVA McINTIRE School is not $10 more a year. Total for 2024 students will be $44k. The College of arts & Sciences is $37k. If you subtract the $3200 for health insurance, as we did (keep your kids in your own policy) and don’t include transportation the cost is $38,750. Also by year two, when the new program starts, your student can move off campus saving much of that $26,599 room and board. DS moved into group housing- four men -and did his own cooking and walked everywhere. So, conceivably, you can do it for less than Arts & Sciences. If your child stayed on room and board for the three years and paid for insurance and travel only then would McIntire be some $6k more x 3 years but it’s rare to be in a dorm that long. Considering USC and Northeastern have blown by $90k a year I think this is very good deal

I’m gonna disagree with you here, in state CAS tuition is $21730 for 2/3 years and McIntire is $30,336. No you can’t do McIntire for less than the College. Yes you can do better in off grounds housing than dorms but the tuition is what it is. It’s an $8700 difference.

Related questions
How much is McIntire in-state tuition?



Nope. McIntire’s instate tuition is $26,716 for 2023-24.

Ugh your ignorance is showing. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2023-2024

The fees of $3k are mandatory fees just as they are for the College and every other school. So sure you could technically say tuition is $26k+ but mandatory fees bring it to $30k. It’s an $8700 per year difference. No way around that. My kid is in Batten which is the same.

Yes, my "ignorance" comes directly from UVA's McIntire website: Tuition $26,966. And no we didn't pay for health insurance.

https://www.commerce.virginia.edu/bs-commerce/admissions/tuition-fees

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now it is a three-year vs two-year program. The school of commerce at UVA is $10K more per year, does this mean they will start charging it a year earlier?

The UVA McINTIRE School is not $10 more a year. Total for 2024 students will be $44k. The College of arts & Sciences is $37k. If you subtract the $3200 for health insurance, as we did (keep your kids in your own policy) and don’t include transportation the cost is $38,750. Also by year two, when the new program starts, your student can move off campus saving much of that $26,599 room and board. DS moved into group housing- four men -and did his own cooking and walked everywhere. So, conceivably, you can do it for less than Arts & Sciences. If your child stayed on room and board for the three years and paid for insurance and travel only then would McIntire be some $6k more x 3 years but it’s rare to be in a dorm that long. Considering USC and Northeastern have blown by $90k a year I think this is very good deal

I’m gonna disagree with you here, in state CAS tuition is $21730 for 2/3 years and McIntire is $30,336. No you can’t do McIntire for less than the College. Yes you can do better in off grounds housing than dorms but the tuition is what it is. It’s an $8700 difference.

Related questions
How much is McIntire in-state tuition?



Nope. McIntire’s instate tuition is $26,716 for 2023-24.

Ugh your ignorance is showing. https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-new-applicants/financial-aid-basics/estimated-undergraduate-cost-attendance-2023-2024

The fees of $3k are mandatory fees just as they are for the College and every other school. So sure you could technically say tuition is $26k+ but mandatory fees bring it to $30k. It’s an $8700 per year difference. No way around that. My kid is in Batten which is the same.

Yes, my "ignorance" comes directly from UVA's McIntire website: Tuition $26,966. And no we didn't pay for health insurance.

https://www.commerce.virginia.edu/bs-commerce/admissions/tuition-fees

FEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS. need i saw it louder? The $3000+ on FEES are MANDATORY. You ARE paying them whether you think you are or not. That is NOT health insurancem books and travel expenses like you see in cost of attendance. The TOTAL MANDATORY COST FOR MCINTIRE AND BATTEN IS $8700 MORE THAN THE COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES. UGH

Right on the link you shared, this is a description of the fees: "Fees category for the Commerce School includes the Comprehensive Fee, the $50 University Fee, and the $86 School Fee."

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What they don't tell you is that they're doing this because they want more applicants to apply to McIntire. They already reject 40% of the applicants that apply after 2 years. Now they want a larger pool of students to reject from? Also, they expect that because you'll be able to apply sooner, your high school performance will carry more than it did in the past. Then why not just direct admit already? It's also easier statistically to transfer into McIntire as transfer student than an undergrad there. They also use a holistic approach to entry, so if you look at the admission rates into McIntire, the GPA ranges from around 2.5 to 4.0. Who are the 2.5 GPA students getting in? Nothing about UVA makes sense. It's all marketing. The only advantage UVA has is the IBs and MBB recruit from there. But that's because it's more cost effective for them to do so, not because there's anything special about working here. You get paid well, but have very long hours. At that point, you might as well just become a doctor.

[Anonymous]

Attending UVA remains a gamble; however, the difference lies in learning your fate in the first year instead of the second, unlike schools such as VT or Kelley, which offer direct admission.

[Anonymous]

What they don't tell you is that they're doing this because they want more applicants to apply to McIntire. They already reject 40% of the applicants that apply after 2 years. Now they want a larger pool of students to reject from? Also, they expect that because you'll be able to apply sooner, your high school performance will carry more than it did in the past. Then why not just direct admit already? It's also easier statistically to transfer into McIntire as transfer student than an undergrad there. They also use a holistic approach to entry, so if you look at the admission rates into McIntire, the GPA ranges from around 2.5 to 4.0. Who are the 2.5 GPA students getting in? Nothing about UVA makes sense. It's all marketing. The only advantage UVA has is the IBs and MBB recruit from there. But that's because it's more cost effective for them to do so, not because there's anything special about working here. You get paid well, but have very long hours. At that point, you might as well just become a doctor.

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I don’t know why UVA just doesn’t do direct admit already like other top business schools. So much fairer for those OOS students who are only going to UVA to try to get into McIntire

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Anonymous wrote:Attending UVA remains a gamble; however, the difference lies in learning your fate in the first year instead of the second, unlike schools such as VT or Kelley, which offer direct admission.[/quote

Or like Wharton, Michigan. Cornell, NYU, etc….other top business schools. Is UVA afraid of losing some OOS students/money with rejection from direct admit?