Employing undocumented nannies?

[Anonymous]

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You can't have a SS number if you are undocumented. Only way you can have one is if you bought it off the black market meaning it is not really your number. Undocumented workers are paid cash, or they are using a number they bought off the black market.

No. Foreign workers can obtain an ITIN.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxpayer-identification-numbers-tin

[Anonymous]

OP, I seriously considered hiring an undocumented nanny. I didn't realize she was undocumented when interviewing, and I absolutely adored her. After realizing she was undocumented and discussing further, it sounds like she was paying taxes, but her employers were not. They were paying cash totally off the books.

Ultimately what made me not move forward was that if something horrible happens, you have zero recourse. There are stories of undocumented workers not calling 911 during a medical emergency because they don't want the police to come. Also, these folks tend to live totally off the grid if they're making cash. If say, they decide to kidnap your baby, you really have no way of tracking them down. You can't run a background check, etc. Tax illegalities aside, it was just too much risk for my comfort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

That's a complete lie. I've posted here before but this question comes up every now and again.

For people who have no experience in this, there is this strange, enduring perception that being illegal = not paying taxes. Please carve this into your cortex: being legal and paying taxes are two wholly separate things overseen by two separate government agencies that neither share information nor act as enforcement agents for one another.

The IRS does not care if you're legal. It cares that you report the income you received, and pay taxes on it. As long as you do, the IRS does not inquire into your status and does not refer cases marked "nonresident alien" for investigation to the USCIS.

If you are undocumented but happen to have an SSN, or if you receive income from a job you aren't supposed to have, all you have to do is fill out a tax return and submit it. The IRS doesn't care. If anything, IRS is making money on the undocumented because while it taxes them for FICA and Medicaid, it does not make them eligible to receive these payments. In that sense, the taxes paid by the undocumented are subsidizing the documented. Do you honestly think every busboy and waiter who carries your food, every line cook that peels and cuts your potatoes is documented? But depend upon it that these people pay taxes and receive their W2s.

I should know - for years, I've had jobs I wasn't allowed to have, received W2s, claimed income and paid taxes (and received refunds!). The IRS doesn't care how you got your money. It just wants its cut.

You can't have a SS number if you are undocumented. Only way you can have one is if you bought it off the black market meaning it is not really your number. Undocumented workers are paid cash, or they are using a number they bought off the black market.

You can have SSN that you got before you overstayed your visa. And then they work illegally. ALL ILLEGALS OUT OF THIS COUNTRY

[Anonymous]

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The IRS doesn't care how you earned your money. If you make money as a prostitute or drug dealer, you still owe taxes on your income. If you employ someone who is not legally authorized to work in the United States, you are still required to pay employment taxes, and they are required to pay taxes on the income they earn. Hiring an undocumented nanny and failing to withhold and pay employment taxes are separate violations.



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As long as both parties bot declaring to uncle sam, there's no record.

Its a lot if you have to pay back taxes, and everthing also the violotions, can loose everything.

[Anonymous]

+1

The IRS doesn't care how you earned your money. If you make money as a prostitute or drug dealer, you still owe taxes on your income. If you employ someone who is not legally authorized to work in the United States, you are still required to pay employment taxes, and they are required to pay taxes on the income they earn. Hiring an undocumented nanny and failing to withhold and pay employment taxes are separate violations.



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As long as both parties bot declaring to uncle sam, there's no record.

Its a lot if you have to pay back taxes, and everthing also the violotions, can loose everything.

[Anonymous]

I pay all fica taxes on and unemplyment my undocumented nanny using a nanny tax company. The IRS doesn't care where the money comes from. nanny pays all her taxes. when there is immigration reform she will be at front of line having always paid taxes. She is 100% better than any nanny I've ever seen and we pay her well.