Employing undocumented nannies?

[Anonymous]

It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Isn't that site a nanny agency? Of course they have business goals to attain, so I wouldn't trust them at all.

[Anonymous]

You are cheating this woman out of social security. I hope you get caught and lose your clearance
You are a pig.

[Anonymous]

If they are undocumented I pay less and don't pay any extras to the gov't (whats the point, they are undoc) so no taxes or withholdings or anything. It saves us a lot of money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they are undocumented I pay less and don't pay any extras to the gov't (whats the point, they are undoc) so no taxes or withholdings or anything. It saves us a lot of money.

How's that fat retirement fund doing? And the vacations this year?

[Anonymous]

If everybody is hiring undocumented people what will happen to this country .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are undocumented I pay less and don't pay any extras to the gov't (whats the point, they are undoc) so no taxes or withholdings or anything. It saves us a lot of money.

How's that fat retirement fund doing? And the vacations this year?

They are doing great! Yes, we will travel extensively this year, spring break trip was amazing. Why do you ask?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

That's a complete lie. I've posted here before but this question comes up every now and again.

For people who have no experience in this, there is this strange, enduring perception that being illegal = not paying taxes. Please carve this into your cortex: being legal and paying taxes are two wholly separate things overseen by two separate government agencies that neither share information nor act as enforcement agents for one another.

The IRS does not care if you're legal. It cares that you report the income you received, and pay taxes on it. As long as you do, the IRS does not inquire into your status and does not refer cases marked "nonresident alien" for investigation to the USCIS.

If you are undocumented but happen to have an SSN, or if you receive income from a job you aren't supposed to have, all you have to do is fill out a tax return and submit it. The IRS doesn't care. If anything, IRS is making money on the undocumented because while it taxes them for FICA and Medicaid, it does not make them eligible to receive these payments. In that sense, the taxes paid by the undocumented are subsidizing the documented. Do you honestly think every busboy and waiter who carries your food, every line cook that peels and cuts your potatoes is documented? But depend upon it that these people pay taxes and receive their W2s.

I should know - for years, I've had jobs I wasn't allowed to have, received W2s, claimed income and paid taxes (and received refunds!). The IRS doesn't care how you got your money. It just wants its cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

That's a complete lie. I've posted here before but this question comes up every now and again.

For people who have no experience in this, there is this strange, enduring perception that being illegal = not paying taxes. Please carve this into your cortex: being legal and paying taxes are two wholly separate things overseen by two separate government agencies that neither share information nor act as enforcement agents for one another.

The IRS does not care if you're legal. It cares that you report the income you received, and pay taxes on it. As long as you do, the IRS does not inquire into your status and does not refer cases marked "nonresident alien" for investigation to the USCIS.

If you are undocumented but happen to have an SSN, or if you receive income from a job you aren't supposed to have, all you have to do is fill out a tax return and submit it. The IRS doesn't care. If anything, IRS is making money on the undocumented because while it taxes them for FICA and Medicaid, it does not make them eligible to receive these payments. In that sense, the taxes paid by the undocumented are subsidizing the documented. Do you honestly think every busboy and waiter who carries your food, every line cook that peels and cuts your potatoes is documented? But depend upon it that these people pay taxes and receive their W2s.

I should know - for years, I've had jobs I wasn't allowed to have, received W2s, claimed income and paid taxes (and received refunds!). The IRS doesn't care how you got your money. It just wants its cut.

+1

The IRS doesn't care how you earned your money. If you make money as a prostitute or drug dealer, you still owe taxes on your income. If you employ someone who is not legally authorized to work in the United States, you are still required to pay employment taxes, and they are required to pay taxes on the income they earn. Hiring an undocumented nanny and failing to withhold and pay employment taxes are separate violations.

[Anonymous]

Government agencies are allowed to communicate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Government agencies are allowed to communicate.

...Not all of them of course, but many of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Government agencies are allowed to communicate.

...Not all of them of course, but many of them.

of course they are. in reality and practice do they? Doubtful. USCIS is a total cluster fuck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If everybody is hiring undocumented people what will happen to this country .

I don't know. Look at every single landscaping company in the DMV. Every. Single one.

You get a nice lawn and beautiful bushes and tree.