Employing undocumented nannies?

[Anonymous]

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FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

Totally untrue - the IRS legally cannot share this information with any other govt. agency including DHS except a specific under court order.

Are you new in town? Everyone knows how corrupted the IRS is. Ever hear of the now "retired" Lois Lerner?

Welcome to Washington, my friend.

Red herring, Lois Lerner has zero to do with information sharing across government agencies. The IRS does not and cannot legally share a list of taxpayers with ITINs (the fake numbers used to pay taxes when you are illegal) with other government agencies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

Totally untrue - the IRS legally cannot share this information with any other govt. agency including DHS except a specific under court order.

Are you new in town? Everyone knows how corrupted the IRS is. Ever hear of the now "retired" Lois Lerner?

Welcome to Washington, my friend.

Red herring, Lois Lerner has zero to do with information sharing across government agencies. The IRS does not and cannot legally share a list of taxpayers with ITINs (the fake numbers used to pay taxes when you are illegal) with other government agencies.

Lois Lerner is a perfect example of how corrupted a government agency can be when you're on the wrong side of the aisle, or should we say, when you're on the "right" side of the aisle. She didn't much care about our laws. They clearly didn't apply to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why there is daycare. Nanny as childcare is the most expensive option, not the cheapest.

And daycare is so easy to find. Given what OP said about her own salary, it's reasonable to assume that she'd have her kid in an affordable daycare if she could get into one. For some of us nanny is the only option, not the most convenient.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why there is daycare. Nanny as childcare is the most expensive option, not the cheapest.

And daycare is so easy to find. Given what OP said about her own salary, it's reasonable to assume that she'd have her kid in an affordable daycare if she could get into one. For some of us nanny is the only option, not the most convenient.

Poor people would like to think as you do, but don't have that luxury, do they?

[Anonymous]

OP again. I love the comedy and insults on here. I'm a pig, I should have had an intelligence test, I should go to jail, I should put my kid in some imaginary affordable infant daycare, I don't love my child because I want to work in a job I love.

Thank you to the few people who helped, and also to those that gave me a big ball of laughs today when reading how terrible I must be as a human, as an American and as a parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If everybody is hiring undocumented people what will happen to this country .

Well, you can consider the skyrocketing special needs children, and wonder about which environmental factors feed into that.

[Anonymous]

Don't people reporting income in fake social security numbers get "no match" letters from the IRS? That's what happens to actual businesses, and then if you don't correct, you subject to some real penalties beyond just the back taxes you'd owe for the person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Just don't complain about all the illegal immigrants entering the country. They come because of people like you who want cheap labor and offer them jobs. You would be quite the hypocrite chiming in on all these illegals entering our country -- the nerve!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

That's a complete lie. I've posted here before but this question comes up every now and again.

For people who have no experience in this, there is this strange, enduring perception that being illegal = not paying taxes. Please carve this into your cortex: being legal and paying taxes are two wholly separate things overseen by two separate government agencies that neither share information nor act as enforcement agents for one another.

The IRS does not care if you're legal. It cares that you report the income you received, and pay taxes on it. As long as you do, the IRS does not inquire into your status and does not refer cases marked "nonresident alien" for investigation to the USCIS.

If you are undocumented but happen to have an SSN, or if you receive income from a job you aren't supposed to have, all you have to do is fill out a tax return and submit it. The IRS doesn't care. If anything, IRS is making money on the undocumented because while it taxes them for FICA and Medicaid, it does not make them eligible to receive these payments. In that sense, the taxes paid by the undocumented are subsidizing the documented. Do you honestly think every busboy and waiter who carries your food, every line cook that peels and cuts your potatoes is documented? But depend upon it that these people pay taxes and receive their W2s.

I should know - for years, I've had jobs I wasn't allowed to have, received W2s, claimed income and paid taxes (and received refunds!). The IRS doesn't care how you got your money. It just wants its cut.

You can't have a SS number if you are undocumented. Only way you can have one is if you bought it off the black market meaning it is not really your number. Undocumented workers are paid cash, or they are using a number they bought off the black market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like everyone I know in the greater DC area hires documented nannies, for very obvious reasons (namely that its the law, we have many federal workers, etc.). Personally, I have no problem hiring an undocumented worker and realize that I'd be breaking the law by doing so. No need to tell me how I'm terrible I am for cheating the government. Frankly, I'd be helping an individual and their family who otherwise might not have work. I'm okay with that.

For those of you who do/have employed an undocumented nanny can you share your experience? Did you pay any/all employment taxes? Did you pay a little less per hour? Any thoughts/feedback after having done so if you'd do it again?

I've done a little reading on all this here but don't know how accurate it all is. [http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/]

Thanks!

Straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/pay-for-personal-services-performed

Illegal Aliens (Undocumented Aliens)
Foreign workers who are illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) are subject to U.S. taxes in spite of their illegal status. U.S. employers or payers who hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens) may be subject to various fines, penalties, and sanctions imposed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. If such employers or payers choose to hire illegal aliens (undocumented aliens), the payments made to those aliens are subject to the same tax withholding and reporting obligations that apply to other classes of aliens.

So it turns out http://www.homeworksolutions.com/knowledge-center/my-nanny-is-not-a-legal-resident-what-should-i-do-about-employment-taxes/ is accurate.

Google is your friend.

FYI if you are trying to help an illegal out by giving them income and a job you are threatening their life in the US by trying to pay taxes. That is how the gov't catches these people. Also the minimal amount of money they earn has no need to be reduced further.

That's a complete lie. I've posted here before but this question comes up every now and again.

For people who have no experience in this, there is this strange, enduring perception that being illegal = not paying taxes. Please carve this into your cortex: being legal and paying taxes are two wholly separate things overseen by two separate government agencies that neither share information nor act as enforcement agents for one another.

The IRS does not care if you're legal. It cares that you report the income you received, and pay taxes on it. As long as you do, the IRS does not inquire into your status and does not refer cases marked "nonresident alien" for investigation to the USCIS.

If you are undocumented but happen to have an SSN, or if you receive income from a job you aren't supposed to have, all you have to do is fill out a tax return and submit it. The IRS doesn't care. If anything, IRS is making money on the undocumented because while it taxes them for FICA and Medicaid, it does not make them eligible to receive these payments. In that sense, the taxes paid by the undocumented are subsidizing the documented. Do you honestly think every busboy and waiter who carries your food, every line cook that peels and cuts your potatoes is documented? But depend upon it that these people pay taxes and receive their W2s.

I should know - for years, I've had jobs I wasn't allowed to have, received W2s, claimed income and paid taxes (and received refunds!). The IRS doesn't care how you got your money. It just wants its cut.

You can't have a SS number if you are undocumented. Only way you can have one is if you bought it off the black market meaning it is not really your number. Undocumented workers are paid cash, or they are using a number they bought off the black market.

You don't know what you're talking about. There are SO many degrees of undocumented, poorly documented, improperly documented that you have no idea who can and cannot have a SSN. Tons of people are here legally with valid SSNs but are not legal to work. Other tons have been here legally at some point with legal SSNs but aren't any more. SSNs don't expire, you know. Whether you have a valid SSN and whether you are legal to work are completely separate matters but I can see that your understanding of the matter is limited to cliches.

[Anonymous]

I have reported a couple whi employed an illegal Nanny and they got into a lot of trouble and I would report you, OP, if I knew your name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have reported a couple whi employed an illegal Nanny and they got into a lot of trouble and I would report you, OP, if I knew your name.

Who exactly did you report them to? I'd like to report my neighbors, but I didn't know anyone actually cared. That's why most of these workers are off the books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have reported a couple whi employed an illegal Nanny and they got into a lot of trouble and I would report you, OP, if I knew your name.

Who exactly did you report them to? I'd like to report my neighbors, but I didn't know anyone actually cared. That's why most of these workers are off the books.

IRS, VA dept. Of Taxation and their
Federal govt. Employers. VA. Depth of taxation gets very upset if they don't get their taxes.

[Anonymous]

OP I'll try to be helpful...We've never hired anyone illegal so I can't speak personally to that. We do have an acquaintance who was living in NY and hired someone illegal (which I understand to be much more common there) and when she went home for a week to visit family she was not allowed to return. So, this person had no childcare.

Obviously anything can happen to anyone but the reality of nanny vs daycare (we've done both) is that with a nanny you are entirely dependent on one person.

As for cost, I am not going to name-call or anything but doesn't it seem unfair that the reason you're considering hiring someone illegal is so that you can pay less? Whoever you hire will have to pay to live in this area just like the rest of us.

Hiring a nanny really is rarely cheaper than daycare (at least for one kid). Have you looked into in-home daycares? We have friends who have had excellent experiences and have paid much less than at a center. Also a nanny share for 2 infants might involve your portion being around $10/hour. That seems quite reasonable to me.

[Anonymous]

So even illegals can get TIN from the IRS and pay taxes. Whether they pay or not pay their taxes on their income is something which you have no responsibility for. You don't need to wothhold their income taxes if they report to you they are exempt from fed or state taxes (usually becausr they expect to earn so little they would not have any liability after deductions). But frankly, unless you are paying them only a few hundred dollars a month, theor income will end up high enough for income tax liability to kick in.

Separately, whether they are legal or not, you probably still have to pay employer taxes. Their social security and Medicare. If you don't, the IRS might find out.

Lastly, if you hire an illegal, wouldn't that start involving the Dept of Homeland Security (for E-Verify), Immigration, Department of Labor?

There is no set rate that for illegal nannys you pay X dollars less than a legal nanny rate. Frankly, I couldn't afford nanny care and started out casting a wide net, including illegals. A lot of people I interviewed or talked over on the phone were illegals and they wanted anywhere from $9 to $16 per hour for 1 child. Usually on the $10- $12 range anecdotally in my small sample pool that I talked to. But there were plenty of nonillegals asking for a rate in that range too. So the price incentive was not convincing enough for me to go ahead and hire an illegal. I ended up with a citizen fluent in English. But not very experienced and is young and acts young and not as this and that as I would like. That was the tradeoff.