H5N1

[Anonymous]

Yesterday the CDC directed all states to prepare to test and provide treatment to potentially impacted farm workers following positive results among cattle herds.

[Anonymous]

The CDC also shared that the household members of the Texas farm worker who tested positive for H5N1 received oseltamivir for post-exposure prophylaxis and did not get sick.

Interesting that the CDC is also recommending post-exposure prophylaxis of close contacts of those with H5N1 virus infection is recommended with oseltamivir twice daily (treatment dosing) instead of the once daily pre-exposure prophylaxis dosing.

Glad to see the CDC is doing their job and getting out in front of this. I think they will be able to keep this contained.

[Anonymous]

Also, the US already has a stockpile of H5N1 vaccine ready to go. The FDA stated last week that the doses in the emergency stockpile are a reasonably good match for this strain.

If we see human-to-human transmission, CDC/FDA are on top of it. Between vaccines and antivirals targeted at farm workers and their household members, I don’t think we have much if anything to be worried about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, maybe we can start with the public health officials that took a massive outsized wrecking ball to the world without any personal or professional consequences in response to Covid, all while clapping for each others actions like seals. How bout dat?

It’s dummies like you who pretty much guaranteed that we are all f’ed when the next pandemic comes this way.

Yes, I’m a dummy for actually having some amount of risk tolerance and understanding risk analysis. People die. It’s part of the human condition. Also part of the human condition is being a dumbass in power without any consequences. And now we are living with that fallout economically all over the world.

There hasn’t been a single public health campaign to tell people the truth - your immune system function is directly tied to not eating piles of garbage and actually prioritizing your health. At least not one I’m aware of.

So you think a bunch of people in public health just decided the best thing to do with a novel virus was to shut everything down for fun? You think these decisions were all taken lightly? That you would have done a better job? You people have such poor coping mechanisms. Move on.

People in public health didn't shut everything down. Policymakers did because the public health professionals said it would just be for a short period of time. Except they lied.

They didn’t lie. They made an educated guess that turned out to be wrong. Big difference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, maybe we can start with the public health officials that took a massive outsized wrecking ball to the world without any personal or professional consequences in response to Covid, all while clapping for each others actions like seals. How bout dat?

It’s dummies like you who pretty much guaranteed that we are all f’ed when the next pandemic comes this way.

Yes, I’m a dummy for actually having some amount of risk tolerance and understanding risk analysis. People die. It’s part of the human condition. Also part of the human condition is being a dumbass in power without any consequences. And now we are living with that fallout economically all over the world.

There hasn’t been a single public health campaign to tell people the truth - your immune system function is directly tied to not eating piles of garbage and actually prioritizing your health. At least not one I’m aware of.

So you think a bunch of people in public health just decided the best thing to do with a novel virus was to shut everything down for fun? You think these decisions were all taken lightly? That you would have done a better job? You people have such poor coping mechanisms. Move on.

People in public health didn't shut everything down. Policymakers did because the public health professionals said it would just be for a short period of time. Except they lied.

They didn’t lie. They made an educated guess that turned out to be wrong. Big difference.

Exactly.

It was also a very difficult situation because the FDA/CDC were so reliant on private industry to get the vaccine created, approved and distributed. Big Pharma was still ultimately concerned with their profits and had every incentive to overstate vaccine claims.


https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2024/04/09/Has-Pfizer-brought-discredit-on-the-industry-with-misguided-vaccine-tweet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday the CDC directed all states to prepare to test and provide treatment to potentially impacted farm workers following positive results among cattle herds.

Well if the do nothing CDC is concerned we should be concerned as well. This isn't a good sign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They won’t be closing things down for the flu. The 1918 pandemic was bad because they didn’t have antibiotics. We didn’t have any shutdowns when H1N1 hit. Covid was new and there was no treatment. We also closed down to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. I guess many of you forgot the refrigeration trucks that were used as make-shift morgues in many places.

You don't usually need antibiotics for the flu, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They won’t be closing things down for the flu. The 1918 pandemic was bad because they didn’t have antibiotics. We didn’t have any shutdowns when H1N1 hit. Covid was new and there was no treatment. We also closed down to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. I guess many of you forgot the refrigeration trucks that were used as make-shift morgues in many places.

You don't usually need antibiotics for the flu, though.

You do for the secondary infections that follow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They won’t be closing things down for the flu. The 1918 pandemic was bad because they didn’t have antibiotics. We didn’t have any shutdowns when H1N1 hit. Covid was new and there was no treatment. We also closed down to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. I guess many of you forgot the refrigeration trucks that were used as make-shift morgues in many places.

You don't usually need antibiotics for the flu, though.

You do for the secondary infections that follow.

Here’s what I’m talking about: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-flu-actually-kill-people/

[Anonymous]

This is not a large outbreak. There are only 17 dairy farms in six states.

It looks like it’s limited to dairy cows who are getting it from contaminated milking equipment. Easy mitigation measures like increasing the milking equipment disinfecting and issuing PPE to farm workers who handle the equipment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, maybe we can start with the public health officials that took a massive outsized wrecking ball to the world without any personal or professional consequences in response to Covid, all while clapping for each others actions like seals. How bout dat?

It’s dummies like you who pretty much guaranteed that we are all f’ed when the next pandemic comes this way.

Yes, I’m a dummy for actually having some amount of risk tolerance and understanding risk analysis. People die. It’s part of the human condition. Also part of the human condition is being a dumbass in power without any consequences. And now we are living with that fallout economically all over the world.

There hasn’t been a single public health campaign to tell people the truth - your immune system function is directly tied to not eating piles of garbage and actually prioritizing your health. At least not one I’m aware of.

So you think a bunch of people in public health just decided the best thing to do with a novel virus was to shut everything down for fun? You think these decisions were all taken lightly? That you would have done a better job? You people have such poor coping mechanisms. Move on.

People in public health didn't shut everything down. Policymakers did because the public health professionals said it would just be for a short period of time. Except they lied.

They didn’t lie. They made an educated guess that turned out to be wrong. Big difference.

What was the guess that was wrong? They always knew covid would become endemic by the time it had spread wide enough to cause the shutdown. And it was never going to be "two weeks the flatten the curve" without accepting far greater levels of transmission than we ever did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday the CDC directed all states to prepare to test and provide treatment to potentially impacted farm workers following positive results among cattle herds.

Well if the do nothing CDC is concerned we should be concerned as well. This isn't a good sign.

Do you work with cattle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not a large outbreak. There are only 17 dairy farms in six states.

It looks like it’s limited to dairy cows who are getting it from contaminated milking equipment. Easy mitigation measures like increasing the milking equipment disinfecting and issuing PPE to farm workers who handle the equipment.

North Carolina now has a herd with an outbreak, so the number is now 7. The USDA is putting a pause on all cattle going into and out of these 7 states as a precaution. Still only in dairy cows and they are not culling the herds, just isolating and treating the sick cows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a large outbreak. There are only 17 dairy farms in six states.

It looks like it’s limited to dairy cows who are getting it from contaminated milking equipment. Easy mitigation measures like increasing the milking equipment disinfecting and issuing PPE to farm workers who handle the equipment.

North Carolina now has a herd with an outbreak, so the number is now 7. The USDA is putting a pause on all cattle going into and out of these 7 states as a precaution. Still only in dairy cows and they are not culling the herds, just isolating and treating the sick cows.

Are there any steps we can take to increase the likelihood of a major outbreak in people?

[Anonymous]

H5N1 bird flu found at 3 more dairy farms, including 1 in Texas, 1 in New Mexico and the 1st outbreak in South Dakota.