23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other

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Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

I’m not sure why it’s insulting. Isn’t there kind of an “I am Spartacus” effect? If everyone is saying they are gay (even if they aren’t), it makes it much harder to persecute gay people doesn’t it?

On the other hand, I can see it making it much harder for actual gay people to find real relationship when there are a bunch of “gay in name only” (Ginos?) out there.

Identifying as gay on a survey doesn't make it hard for someone to find a date. In the case of this survey, most people identified as bisexual. We already know that most bisexual people are in straight relationships because that's more socially acceptable and that's where the largest dating pool is. What I'm seeing in this thread are a couple of straight women getting really distraught and scandalized over the numbers going up.

Here's the way it usually works if you're curious. Someone is bisexual and dates only (or mostly) opposite gender partners. This person gets married and is in a straight marriage. They're monogamous and never date outside of marriage. They feel invalid and "not queer enough" so they don't go to Pride or to gay bars because they're in a straight marriage. If asked (or surveyed) if they're LGBTQ+, they'll say they're bisexual because they are. People not feeling queer enough is a really common queer experience - especially if they haven't been out for long or if they're in a straight passing relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-queer-enough/id1694094256

I doubt that any of the anti-trans posters are straight.

Most people that comment on this board are straight women.

How about the prolific anti-trans posters? Many are not straight.

Are you saying they’re closeted and self hating so they attack the LGBTQ community, especially the trans community because they’re most vulnerable? I mean yeah, I know that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume people have a certain sexuality based on posts, unless the post is referencing their sexuality.

Occasionally I’ll see an anti trans post from someone who says they’re gay, but most are just conservative. I’ve never tried to count or do a poll here regarding sexuality of posters who share their anti trans beliefs.

Most of us are straight suburban moms who are liberal and previously voted democrat. You see us and assume we are on your side, but we are not. We are the silent majority.

Not the pp you replied to but what does this mean that you aren't on their side?

So in the YouTube video above your reply, Zooey Zephyr proposes to Erin Reed. What do you specifically oppose there? The fact that they're allowed to be trans women? That they're allowed to be married?

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I’m dating a man who likes to receive anal. He’s almost 50. He told me he’s had sex with two men/ he claimed that was “bi curious”. I was like- well- Im not one to tell others what to do- but bring ass banged by a dude would probably make you more than “curious” in the eyes of many.

If he was 20 my guess is he would be LGBTQ. Yet, he identifies as straight.

These are language changes more than changes in sexuality.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m dating a man who likes to receive anal. He’s almost 50. He told me he’s had sex with two men/ he claimed that was “bi curious”. I was like- well- Im not one to tell others what to do- but bring ass banged by a dude would probably make you more than “curious” in the eyes of many.

If he was 20 my guess is he would be LGBTQ. Yet, he identifies as straight.

These are language changes more than changes in sexuality.

As a 40 year old who was "questioning but straight" as a younger person, yeah I think the categories "curious" and "questioning" are gone for the next generation. People who feel those ways seem more comfortable taking on an LGBTQ identity at a younger age. Lucky them! That means there's less shame.

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Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

I’m not sure why it’s insulting. Isn’t there kind of an “I am Spartacus” effect? If everyone is saying they are gay (even if they aren’t), it makes it much harder to persecute gay people doesn’t it?

On the other hand, I can see it making it much harder for actual gay people to find real relationship when there are a bunch of “gay in name only” (Ginos?) out there.

Identifying as gay on a survey doesn't make it hard for someone to find a date. In the case of this survey, most people identified as bisexual. We already know that most bisexual people are in straight relationships because that's more socially acceptable and that's where the largest dating pool is. What I'm seeing in this thread are a couple of straight women getting really distraught and scandalized over the numbers going up.

Here's the way it usually works if you're curious. Someone is bisexual and dates only (or mostly) opposite gender partners. This person gets married and is in a straight marriage. They're monogamous and never date outside of marriage. They feel invalid and "not queer enough" so they don't go to Pride or to gay bars because they're in a straight marriage. If asked (or surveyed) if they're LGBTQ+, they'll say they're bisexual because they are. People not feeling queer enough is a really common queer experience - especially if they haven't been out for long or if they're in a straight passing relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-queer-enough/id1694094256

I doubt that any of the anti-trans posters are straight.

Most people that comment on this board are straight women.

How about the prolific anti-trans posters? Many are not straight.

Are you saying they’re closeted and self hating so they attack the LGBTQ community, especially the trans community because they’re most vulnerable? I mean yeah, I know that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume people have a certain sexuality based on posts, unless the post is referencing their sexuality.

Occasionally I’ll see an anti trans post from someone who says they’re gay, but most are just conservative. I’ve never tried to count or do a poll here regarding sexuality of posters who share their anti trans beliefs.

Most of us are straight suburban moms who are liberal and previously voted democrat. You see us and assume we are on your side, but we are not. We are the silent majority.

Not the pp you replied to but what does this mean that you aren't on their side?

So in the YouTube video above your reply, Zooey Zephyr proposes to Erin Reed. What do you specifically oppose there? The fact that they're allowed to be trans women? That they're allowed to be married?

Dp. I object to Zooey Zephyr’s support for medicalized gender treatment for children. I object to Zooey Zephyr’s support for males in women’s sports. I don’t care about Zooey’s personal relationships, but as a legislator, Zooey supports a platform that harms women and children, and that is objectionable.

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Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

I’m not sure why it’s insulting. Isn’t there kind of an “I am Spartacus” effect? If everyone is saying they are gay (even if they aren’t), it makes it much harder to persecute gay people doesn’t it?

On the other hand, I can see it making it much harder for actual gay people to find real relationship when there are a bunch of “gay in name only” (Ginos?) out there.

Identifying as gay on a survey doesn't make it hard for someone to find a date. In the case of this survey, most people identified as bisexual. We already know that most bisexual people are in straight relationships because that's more socially acceptable and that's where the largest dating pool is. What I'm seeing in this thread are a couple of straight women getting really distraught and scandalized over the numbers going up.

Here's the way it usually works if you're curious. Someone is bisexual and dates only (or mostly) opposite gender partners. This person gets married and is in a straight marriage. They're monogamous and never date outside of marriage. They feel invalid and "not queer enough" so they don't go to Pride or to gay bars because they're in a straight marriage. If asked (or surveyed) if they're LGBTQ+, they'll say they're bisexual because they are. People not feeling queer enough is a really common queer experience - especially if they haven't been out for long or if they're in a straight passing relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-queer-enough/id1694094256

I doubt that any of the anti-trans posters are straight.

Most people that comment on this board are straight women.

How about the prolific anti-trans posters? Many are not straight.

Are you saying they’re closeted and self hating so they attack the LGBTQ community, especially the trans community because they’re most vulnerable? I mean yeah, I know that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume people have a certain sexuality based on posts, unless the post is referencing their sexuality.

Occasionally I’ll see an anti trans post from someone who says they’re gay, but most are just conservative. I’ve never tried to count or do a poll here regarding sexuality of posters who share their anti trans beliefs.

Most of us are straight suburban moms who are liberal and previously voted democrat. You see us and assume we are on your side, but we are not. We are the silent majority.

Not the pp you replied to but what does this mean that you aren't on their side?

So in the YouTube video above your reply, Zooey Zephyr proposes to Erin Reed. What do you specifically oppose there? The fact that they're allowed to be trans women? That they're allowed to be married?

I believe in freedom. People are free to marry whoever they want. People can dress however they want.

I believe in science. Biological males are inherently different from females. Males cannot become female.

I believe in biology. Males are more powerful than women. Males have higher levels of testosterone which is correlated with higher patterns of criminality and sexual aggression.

Transwomen are males and should not be in women’s sports, prisons, restrooms, and changing rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m dating a man who likes to receive anal. He’s almost 50. He told me he’s had sex with two men/ he claimed that was “bi curious”. I was like- well- Im not one to tell others what to do- but bring ass banged by a dude would probably make you more than “curious” in the eyes of many.

If he was 20 my guess is he would be LGBTQ. Yet, he identifies as straight.

These are language changes more than changes in sexuality.

As a 40 year old who was "questioning but straight" as a younger person, yeah I think the categories "curious" and "questioning" are gone for the next generation. People who feel those ways seem more comfortable taking on an LGBTQ identity at a younger age. Lucky them! That means there's less shame.

Yes, I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:People are more open to having different labels. I'm a millennial and would never tell someone that I'm bi, but am I attracted to women? Absolutely.

Everyone is “attracted to women” as a concept. Generally speaking, women are the more beautiful of the two genders. They physical female form is simply more appealing. Many heterosexual women are “attracted to” other women, and not necessarily in an explicitly sexual way.

I can very much appreciate a beautiful/sexy woman on occasion. My experience of this is that I see an attractive female and get turned, but the fantasies it leads me to have then are straight - where +I+ am the embodiment of the sexy woman (who is with a man). Maybe I imagine myself in her outfit or in the position she's in. My brain says "this is sexually relevant and erotic and I want to go somewhere further with this thought". But where it wants to go is straight sex. I have never wanted to touch or kiss a woman and the thought of any lesbian activity does nothing for me. I can still find find women arousing. Maybe that makes me a little bi? Doesn't really seem like it to me. This is all in my personal fantasy life and not my actual sexual relationship.

I'm kind of like this. I would go so far as to say I get turned on by women, but only ever wanted to have sex with men.

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Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

I’m not sure why it’s insulting. Isn’t there kind of an “I am Spartacus” effect? If everyone is saying they are gay (even if they aren’t), it makes it much harder to persecute gay people doesn’t it?

On the other hand, I can see it making it much harder for actual gay people to find real relationship when there are a bunch of “gay in name only” (Ginos?) out there.

Identifying as gay on a survey doesn't make it hard for someone to find a date. In the case of this survey, most people identified as bisexual. We already know that most bisexual people are in straight relationships because that's more socially acceptable and that's where the largest dating pool is. What I'm seeing in this thread are a couple of straight women getting really distraught and scandalized over the numbers going up.

Here's the way it usually works if you're curious. Someone is bisexual and dates only (or mostly) opposite gender partners. This person gets married and is in a straight marriage. They're monogamous and never date outside of marriage. They feel invalid and "not queer enough" so they don't go to Pride or to gay bars because they're in a straight marriage. If asked (or surveyed) if they're LGBTQ+, they'll say they're bisexual because they are. People not feeling queer enough is a really common queer experience - especially if they haven't been out for long or if they're in a straight passing relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-queer-enough/id1694094256

I doubt that any of the anti-trans posters are straight.

Most people that comment on this board are straight women.

How about the prolific anti-trans posters? Many are not straight.

Are you saying they’re closeted and self hating so they attack the LGBTQ community, especially the trans community because they’re most vulnerable? I mean yeah, I know that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume people have a certain sexuality based on posts, unless the post is referencing their sexuality.

Occasionally I’ll see an anti trans post from someone who says they’re gay, but most are just conservative. I’ve never tried to count or do a poll here regarding sexuality of posters who share their anti trans beliefs.

Most of us are straight suburban moms who are liberal and previously voted democrat. You see us and assume we are on your side, but we are not. We are the silent majority.

Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

I’m not sure why it’s insulting. Isn’t there kind of an “I am Spartacus” effect? If everyone is saying they are gay (even if they aren’t), it makes it much harder to persecute gay people doesn’t it?

On the other hand, I can see it making it much harder for actual gay people to find real relationship when there are a bunch of “gay in name only” (Ginos?) out there.

Identifying as gay on a survey doesn't make it hard for someone to find a date. In the case of this survey, most people identified as bisexual. We already know that most bisexual people are in straight relationships because that's more socially acceptable and that's where the largest dating pool is. What I'm seeing in this thread are a couple of straight women getting really distraught and scandalized over the numbers going up.

Here's the way it usually works if you're curious. Someone is bisexual and dates only (or mostly) opposite gender partners. This person gets married and is in a straight marriage. They're monogamous and never date outside of marriage. They feel invalid and "not queer enough" so they don't go to Pride or to gay bars because they're in a straight marriage. If asked (or surveyed) if they're LGBTQ+, they'll say they're bisexual because they are. People not feeling queer enough is a really common queer experience - especially if they haven't been out for long or if they're in a straight passing relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-queer-enough/id1694094256

I doubt that any of the anti-trans posters are straight.

Most people that comment on this board are straight women.

How about the prolific anti-trans posters? Many are not straight.

Are you saying they’re closeted and self hating so they attack the LGBTQ community, especially the trans community because they’re most vulnerable? I mean yeah, I know that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume people have a certain sexuality based on posts, unless the post is referencing their sexuality.

Occasionally I’ll see an anti trans post from someone who says they’re gay, but most are just conservative. I’ve never tried to count or do a poll here regarding sexuality of posters who share their anti trans beliefs.

Most of us are straight suburban moms who are liberal and previously voted democrat. You see us and assume we are on your side, but we are not. We are the silent majority.

Not the pp you replied to but what does this mean that you aren't on their side?

So in the YouTube video above your reply, Zooey Zephyr proposes to Erin Reed. What do you specifically oppose there? The fact that they're allowed to be trans women? That they're allowed to be married?

I believe in freedom. People are free to marry whoever they want. People can dress however they want.

I believe in science. Biological males are inherently different from females. Males cannot become female.

I believe in biology. Males are more powerful than women. Males have higher levels of testosterone which is correlated with higher patterns of criminality and sexual aggression.

Transwomen are males and should not be in women’s sports, prisons, restrooms, and changing rooms.

So by you don't support trans people, you mean you do support trans people to go out in public as trans people wearing whatever they want holding hands in front of your children.

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Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

I’m not sure why it’s insulting. Isn’t there kind of an “I am Spartacus” effect? If everyone is saying they are gay (even if they aren’t), it makes it much harder to persecute gay people doesn’t it?

On the other hand, I can see it making it much harder for actual gay people to find real relationship when there are a bunch of “gay in name only” (Ginos?) out there.

Identifying as gay on a survey doesn't make it hard for someone to find a date. In the case of this survey, most people identified as bisexual. We already know that most bisexual people are in straight relationships because that's more socially acceptable and that's where the largest dating pool is. What I'm seeing in this thread are a couple of straight women getting really distraught and scandalized over the numbers going up.

Here's the way it usually works if you're curious. Someone is bisexual and dates only (or mostly) opposite gender partners. This person gets married and is in a straight marriage. They're monogamous and never date outside of marriage. They feel invalid and "not queer enough" so they don't go to Pride or to gay bars because they're in a straight marriage. If asked (or surveyed) if they're LGBTQ+, they'll say they're bisexual because they are. People not feeling queer enough is a really common queer experience - especially if they haven't been out for long or if they're in a straight passing relationship. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-queer-enough/id1694094256

I doubt that any of the anti-trans posters are straight.

Most people that comment on this board are straight women.

How about the prolific anti-trans posters? Many are not straight.

Are you saying they’re closeted and self hating so they attack the LGBTQ community, especially the trans community because they’re most vulnerable? I mean yeah, I know that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume people have a certain sexuality based on posts, unless the post is referencing their sexuality.

Occasionally I’ll see an anti trans post from someone who says they’re gay, but most are just conservative. I’ve never tried to count or do a poll here regarding sexuality of posters who share their anti trans beliefs.

No, they are openly lesbian and want to excise the T from LGBTQ.

Are you a lesbian? From what I've seen, the lesbian community is the most accepting of trans people................

I’m talking about the most prolific anti-trans posters on DCUM, not the general lesbian community.

I'm confused, you're saying that you're a lesbian and you want trans people out of the the LGBT? I noticed you ignored the question about if you're LGBT yourself.

There are obviously some gay men and lesbian women that feel that way but I assure you that the majority do not and most literally don't care. There's also the point that every single trans person was once also LGB or is now. If a trans man is straight, he used to live as a lesbian before coming out. If a trans man is gay, he used to live as a straight woman while he was closeted and now lives as a gay man. Obviously bisexual trans people (which make up the majority from surveys I've seen) are LGB regardless. Often times trans people will date one another in all kinds of configurations.

I’m saying that some of the most prolific/vocal anti-trans posters on DCUM are self-declared lesbians.

Fortunately, they aren’t the majority.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m dating a man who likes to receive anal. He’s almost 50. He told me he’s had sex with two men/ he claimed that was “bi curious”. I was like- well- Im not one to tell others what to do- but bring ass banged by a dude would probably make you more than “curious” in the eyes of many.

If he was 20 my guess is he would be LGBTQ. Yet, he identifies as straight.

These are language changes more than changes in sexuality.

Currently, a “queer” identity is celebrated, so I would think if he were 20 now, his exploration would gain him entry to the group. It would not have been celebrated thirty years ago when he actually was 20.

[Anonymous]

Well it's trendy right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m dating a man who likes to receive anal. He’s almost 50. He told me he’s had sex with two men/ he claimed that was “bi curious”. I was like- well- Im not one to tell others what to do- but bring ass banged by a dude would probably make you more than “curious” in the eyes of many.

If he was 20 my guess is he would be LGBTQ. Yet, he identifies as straight.

These are language changes more than changes in sexuality.

Currently, a “queer” identity is celebrated, so I would think if he were 20 now, his exploration would gain him entry to the group. It would not have been celebrated thirty years ago when he actually was 20.

The Q meant questioning back then. The Q means queer for most people these days but many still count is as questioning and queer. If a man wants to identify as straight even though he's attracted to both men and women then that's fine, he's straight. Many people experiment and have sex with someone of the same gender and realize it's not for them. That act of having sex and trying it out does not make them gay. It's liking it and wanting more of it that makes someone gay or bi. But if someone identifies as straight, most LGBT people would accept it.

[Anonymous]

Besides greater acceptance, I think all the growth hormones in our food and environment are doing something. We are seeing it in other animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Besides greater acceptance, I think all the growth hormones in our food and environment are doing something. We are seeing it in other animals.