23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other

[Anonymous]

Identifying as “queer” is a way to label yourself into an “in-group”. It provides community when our current society has lost other ways of providing a sense of community to people.

The word itself has no meaning, beyond the fact that someone can simply adopt the label.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

If you're skeptical it's only because you're way outside this demographic. This is entirely believable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Gen-X % looks way too low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gen-X % looks way too low.

Gen X has a lot of closeted bi people are in straight relationships.

Since they've been closeted for so long, they often want to explore their sexuality when they get older, especially if they didn't do this when they were young. No one wants unicorn hunters at gay bars. Either open up your marriage and be poly or stick with your opposite sex mono partner. No one wants to be your third (and treated like a living sex doll).

[Anonymous]

I agree that sexual orientation and gender identity should be separated. These are not the same for the older generations

They have blurred for he younger generations where playing around with both is now the norm and you can be multiple different sexual orientations and 5 different gender identities over the course of a few years.

When I was younger there was this big focus on sexual orientation can not be changed, you are who you are, you don't get to choose...and now it that is gone and you can change your sexual orientation as often as you want.

However I think this is generational like everything else. The big hot topic of each generation leads to positive changes in future generations. Once everyone is LGBTQ+, it will move on as then no one is unique and it isn't interesting to define yourself that way anymore. Then we will see the % drop back to a realistic number and the next thing will be the craze.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

If you're skeptical it's only because you're way outside this demographic. This is entirely believable.

There you go again with your silly feelings and thinking they're valid simply because you have them.

The methodology is flawed. The survey authors acknowledge that. It is what it is. It's overblown.

The question wording is also flawed. Don't ask how you "identify." Ask how do you live your life? Who do you screw? We're interesting in "do" not "tell."

[Anonymous]

Agree with the previous statement. See the stunning numbers from some of the Ivy League universities, and the women's colleges in particular. Highly doubtful that half of the women identifying as gay among all Smith College students means that all of them will still be gay in twenty years or whatever.

On the other hand, I do think that the percentage of gay people in my parents boomer generation was significantly higher than what is reported. Some of us are at the age now where our parents are passing away and we are going through their belongings, and we are finding out things. I have had conversations with a couple of other women friends who have questions about our parents actual sexuality, vs. the lives they lived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

Source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

Even if it's accurate, the fact that people posting here seem to be upset about the numbers is just ridiculous. Who cares if more people are happily admitting that they're queer? Let them live their lives. It's only straight cisgender people that think this number going up is somehow an issue. Most of the people identified as bisexual which isn't at all surprising. I'm sure there's a huge number of closeted bisexual people people in straight marriages in older generations. Again, who cares? They're nothing inherently wrong with being LGBTQ. We're literally just people like everyone else.

Because they’re not actually gay. People calll themselves queer and then only date opposite sex people. But calling themselves queer confers coolness on them. Frankly it’s insulting to the hard-fought battles of gays and lesbians for acceptance and equal rights under the law.

So you're saying that men are identifying as gay and then dating only women or that women are identifying as lesbian and dating only men? Or are you saying straight people are claiming to be bisexual but only dating the opposite gender? Are you saying people are claiming to be trans but they're cis? I seriously doubt people are claiming to be trans that are not because right now, half the country is passing laws against trans people and the Republicans literally hate trans people. I'm a little confused about which queer identities we're talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

If you're skeptical it's only because you're way outside this demographic. This is entirely believable.

I’m outside this demographic and have a supposedly non-binary kid but opt-in polls are for sh!t.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/05/online-opt-in-polls-can-produce-misleading-results-especially-for-young-people-and-hispanic-adults/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23% of GEN Z identify as Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or other
9.8% Of Millennials
4.5 OF GEN X
2.3 Baby Boomers
1.1 Silet Gen..

Thoughts?

My initial thought is either you're making this up or it's not from a credible, statistically valid source.

You would be wrong. I've seen this all over the place. This is just one source.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nearly-30-gen-z-adults-identify-lgbtq-national-survey-finds-rcna135510#

"The survey was
carried out among a representative sample of
6,616 participants, including an oversample of
teens 13-17 years old and adults 18-25 years
old, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are part of Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel and an additional 602 who were recruited by
Ipsos using opt-in survey panels to increase the
sample sizes in smaller states and 18-25 years
old."

This is known as sampling bias. They really contorted themselves with the weighting. I don't remember much from my graduate school statistics classes, but I'm a bit skeptical of this. To their credit, they're pretty transparent about the potential sampling bias. But bottom line is they seem to have attracted a lot of GenZ who are eager to talk about their identity than doing something truly random.

If you're skeptical it's only because you're way outside this demographic. This is entirely believable.

There you go again with your silly feelings and thinking they're valid simply because you have them.

The methodology is flawed. The survey authors acknowledge that. It is what it is. It's overblown.

The question wording is also flawed. Don't ask how you "identify." Ask how do you live your life? Who do you screw? We're interesting in "do" not "tell."

Are straight people asexual until they have their first straight sex? Is a gay man with a beard straight until he leaves his wife and gets with another man? Is a straight man that tried sex with another man forever gay?

You make absolutely no sense. It's the desire and attraction that makes someone gay or straight. It's not the act of sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's trendy to say you're queer, but not actually *be* queer in practice. It makes you seem more open minded and tolerant.

And takes away social pressure to have romantic relationships and depression of not being able to find any.