Tufts vs. Emory for undergrad if child wants to be lawyer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think these schools are similar in terms of prestige but, fwiw, Emory has an edge in STEM and Tufts has an edge in social sciences. So, if your kid is going to major in history or poli sci, Tufts is probably better. If biology or another natural science, Emory.

Emory polysci is ranked 19 on US News and 39 on Niche
Tufts polysci is unranked on US News and 78 on Niche
https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-political-science/?page=4
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/political-science-rankings?_sort=rank-asc

+1 pp. Tufts is only good at international relations and veterinary medicine. Emory is better at EVERYTHING else STEM or non STEM. Tufts has done a good job at enticing Ivy rejects to apply and yeild protecting them. Tufts still has access to a certain type of WASPy family, but that's the only thing keeping them relevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think these schools are similar in terms of prestige but, fwiw, Emory has an edge in STEM and Tufts has an edge in social sciences. So, if your kid is going to major in history or poli sci, Tufts is probably better. If biology or another natural science, Emory.

Emory polysci is ranked 19 on US News and 39 on Niche
Tufts polysci is unranked on US News and 78 on Niche
https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-political-science/?page=4
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/political-science-rankings?_sort=rank-asc

Ok sweetie. Emory is better. It’s Friday, make your self a drink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have any dog in his fight, but Niche is basically Yelp and relying on it makes you look not so smart.

Also, everyone has completely discounted US News this year. Emory has a lot of Pell grants, hence the increase. That doesn't make it a better school. I could say Tufts ACT range is 33-35 and SAT is 1430-1550 whereas Emory's ACT is 32-34 and 1450-1550. Tufts acceptance rate is 10% and Emory is 11%. Who cares? These schools are the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have any dog in his fight, but Niche is basically Yelp and relying on it makes you look not so smart.

I was being kind. I only used Niche because Tufts was unranked for polysci on USnews. Wanted.to make sure I wasn't being unfair, and pp said I was.over relying on USnews. Can't please everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any dog in his fight, but Niche is basically Yelp and relying on it makes you look not so smart.

Also, everyone has completely discounted US News this year. Emory has a lot of Pell grants, hence the increase. That doesn't make it a better school. I could say Tufts ACT range is 33-35 and SAT is 1430-1550 whereas Emory's ACT is 32-34 and 1450-1550. Tufts acceptance rate is 10% and Emory is 11%. Who cares? These schools are the same.

Emory was ranked much higher last year as well, yall are making excuses.

[Anonymous]

Emory is on Fox News live right now. Take a look and decide if your student wants that on his resume.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any dog in his fight, but Niche is basically Yelp and relying on it makes you look not so smart.

I was being kind. I only used Niche because Tufts was unranked for polysci on USnews. Wanted.to make sure I wasn't being unfair, and pp said I was.over relying on USnews. Can't please everyone.

Send your kid to Princeton and be done with this silly debate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have any dog in his fight, but Niche is basically Yelp and relying on it makes you look not so smart.

Also, everyone has completely discounted US News this year. Emory has a lot of Pell grants, hence the increase. That doesn't make it a better school. I could say Tufts ACT range is 33-35 and SAT is 1430-1550 whereas Emory's ACT is 32-34 and 1450-1550. Tufts acceptance rate is 10% and Emory is 11%. Who cares? These schools are the same.

Emory was ranked much higher last year as well, yall are making excuses.

PP you know DCUM.cant stand it when southern schools are better than the northern counterpart. Culturally speaking Tufts and Emory are peers. Reputation speaking, Emory clears by alot. In a way Tufts is similar to Northeastern, selective because of location but not in the same league at the other selective schools.

[Anonymous]

So we aren’t talking about law school admissions anymore, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:They are the same academically, equal prestige, and many kids at one turned down the other to attend it, and vice versa. GPA is everything for law school. Go where they acclimate the easiest and fastest, so they hit the ground running on acing their classes. I’d pick Tufts.

They are not the.same academically nor do they have equal prestige. Emory has a much higher reputation, 4.2, vs Tufts 3.7

What does 4.2 and 3.7 mean?

I see them as equal in prestige and I would pick Tufts personally.

There reputation scores on US News. Academics don't see them equally

These are almost entirely influenced by the how well or badly the ranked college does in creating positive personal interactions with the ranking colleges dean/provost who fills out the insipid USNWR reports. It’s not an objecting measure of a college’s actual academic quality. What does that even mean? Teaching strength? Research strength? Access to resources? Student cohort? Even if you can measure these things, every person rating will weigh these differently. Not to mention the halo effect that may artificially and unjustly inflate some college’s reputation. College rankings are so ridiculous.

Over 30,000 people respond to the survey. How could one college president make that many connections in the industry? A score of 4.2 means 20% of respondants give Emory a perfect score. As opposed to a bunch of respondants giving Tufts a 3/5.

You sound like you’re desperate to believe in the rankings.

To turn your argument on its head, how can anyone filling out the form credibly have sufficient information to have a justified opinion of more than a handful of colleges? So if you’re filling out this form for hundreds of colleges, you’re just guessing for the vast majority of them. Real scientific.

There is actually a study on this. Someone studied a group of college deans who responded to the USNWR survey to see how they scored academic reputation. While you may want to believe that a college’s academic reputation is based on quality and quantity of scholarship, the respondents admitted it is based on anecdotal and fuzzy impressions, largely informed by vague notions, including prior rankings. They admitted basing it on their own notions rather than the USNWR definition. To quote one of them: ”I can’t consider matters of curriculum as asked by the survey. I can’t access that information. I have no idea of curriculum even in nearby institutions.”

Aa far bigger factor was interpersonal communication and mass media communications. The respondents primary source of information was “general perception and specific knowledge gained through personal experience with the institutions and personal contact with presidents….” Their impressions are based on what the other presidents and deans tell them; its not learned from the faculty. The fact that hours and hours are spent on this forum debating whether X college is ranked too high or too low, or whether college A is better than B is all utter nonsense. These are not answerable questions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are the same academically, equal prestige, and many kids at one turned down the other to attend it, and vice versa. GPA is everything for law school. Go where they acclimate the easiest and fastest, so they hit the ground running on acing their classes. I’d pick Tufts.

They are not the.same academically nor do they have equal prestige. Emory has a much higher reputation, 4.2, vs Tufts 3.7

What does 4.2 and 3.7 mean?

I see them as equal in prestige and I would pick Tufts personally.

There reputation scores on US News. Academics don't see them equally

These are almost entirely influenced by the how well or badly the ranked college does in creating positive personal interactions with the ranking colleges dean/provost who fills out the insipid USNWR reports. It’s not an objecting measure of a college’s actual academic quality. What does that even mean? Teaching strength? Research strength? Access to resources? Student cohort? Even if you can measure these things, every person rating will weigh these differently. Not to mention the halo effect that may artificially and unjustly inflate some college’s reputation. College rankings are so ridiculous.

Over 30,000 people respond to the survey. How could one college president make that many connections in the industry? A score of 4.2 means 20% of respondants give Emory a perfect score. As opposed to a bunch of respondants giving Tufts a 3/5.

You sound like you’re desperate to believe in the rankings.

To turn your argument on its head, how can anyone filling out the form credibly have sufficient information to have a justified opinion of more than a handful of colleges? So if you’re filling out this form for hundreds of colleges, you’re just guessing for the vast majority of them. Real scientific.

There is actually a study on this. Someone studied a group of college deans who responded to the USNWR survey to see how they scored academic reputation. While you may want to believe that a college’s academic reputation is based on quality and quantity of scholarship, the respondents admitted it is based on anecdotal and fuzzy impressions, largely informed by vague notions, including prior rankings. They admitted basing it on their own notions rather than the USNWR definition. To quote one of them: ”I can’t consider matters of curriculum as asked by the survey. I can’t access that information. I have no idea of curriculum even in nearby institutions.”

Aa far bigger factor was interpersonal communication and mass media communications. The respondents primary source of information was “general perception and specific knowledge gained through personal experience with the institutions and personal contact with presidents….” Their impressions are based on what the other presidents and deans tell them; its not learned from the faculty. The fact that hours and hours are spent on this forum debating whether X college is ranked too high or too low, or whether college A is better than B is all utter nonsense. These are not answerable questions.

Emory isn't only ranked higher on usnews...Are they all invalid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are the same academically, equal prestige, and many kids at one turned down the other to attend it, and vice versa. GPA is everything for law school. Go where they acclimate the easiest and fastest, so they hit the ground running on acing their classes. I’d pick Tufts.

They are not the.same academically nor do they have equal prestige. Emory has a much higher reputation, 4.2, vs Tufts 3.7

What does 4.2 and 3.7 mean?

I see them as equal in prestige and I would pick Tufts personally.

There reputation scores on US News. Academics don't see them equally

These are almost entirely influenced by the how well or badly the ranked college does in creating positive personal interactions with the ranking colleges dean/provost who fills out the insipid USNWR reports. It’s not an objecting measure of a college’s actual academic quality. What does that even mean? Teaching strength? Research strength? Access to resources? Student cohort? Even if you can measure these things, every person rating will weigh these differently. Not to mention the halo effect that may artificially and unjustly inflate some college’s reputation. College rankings are so ridiculous.

Over 30,000 people respond to the survey. How could one college president make that many connections in the industry? A score of 4.2 means 20% of respondants give Emory a perfect score. As opposed to a bunch of respondants giving Tufts a 3/5.

You sound like you’re desperate to believe in the rankings.

To turn your argument on its head, how can anyone filling out the form credibly have sufficient information to have a justified opinion of more than a handful of colleges? So if you’re filling out this form for hundreds of colleges, you’re just guessing for the vast majority of them. Real scientific.

There is actually a study on this. Someone studied a group of college deans who responded to the USNWR survey to see how they scored academic reputation. While you may want to believe that a college’s academic reputation is based on quality and quantity of scholarship, the respondents admitted it is based on anecdotal and fuzzy impressions, largely informed by vague notions, including prior rankings. They admitted basing it on their own notions rather than the USNWR definition. To quote one of them: ”I can’t consider matters of curriculum as asked by the survey. I can’t access that information. I have no idea of curriculum even in nearby institutions.”

Aa far bigger factor was interpersonal communication and mass media communications. The respondents primary source of information was “general perception and specific knowledge gained through personal experience with the institutions and personal contact with presidents….” Their impressions are based on what the other presidents and deans tell them; its not learned from the faculty. The fact that hours and hours are spent on this forum debating whether X college is ranked too high or too low, or whether college A is better than B is all utter nonsense. These are not answerable questions.

I have no stake in either school but pp, if this is true and "general perception and specific knowledge gained through personal experience with the institutions and personal contact with presidents….” then isn't Emory mom correct and people generally perceive Emory at more prestigious?

[Anonymous]

I perceive them both the same, based on fifty years of life experience. US News is constantly changing its inputs, and Emory has had an edge due to ethnic and economic diversity in recent years, which I don’t think relevant. And as a practical matter, no law school will give a student an edge over another when comparing a Tufts and an Emory grad. Their resumes at their schools will control.

[Anonymous]

No difference at all.

[Anonymous]

Emory. Better programs. Better weather. Decisive administration.