VRSC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The current girls that are on the 'top team' (and in most cases, they only have one team) won't hold a candle to incoming GA kids. It's going to get really interesting really fast.

I'm interested to see how the younger girls teams handle new teams magically forming beneath them from the FCV exodus. The talent on these new lower teams is likely going to surpass the top teams in their current state.

Let’s say that between FCV GA players, FCV United players and the existing Revolution players, there might be 50-55 players in an age group. Don’t think for a second that Revolution isn’t going to do and say anything to maximize that revenue stream! They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current girls that are on the 'top team' (and in most cases, they only have one team) won't hold a candle to incoming GA kids. It's going to get really interesting really fast.

I'm interested to see how the younger girls teams handle new teams magically forming beneath them from the FCV exodus. The talent on these new lower teams is likely going to surpass the top teams in their current state.

Let’s say that between FCV GA players, FCV United players and the existing Revolution players, there might be 50-55 players in an age group. Don’t think for a second that Revolution isn’t going to do and say anything to maximize that revenue stream! They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

GA limits rosters to 18 players. If they roster 25, they are going to lose girls and owe refunds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current girls that are on the 'top team' (and in most cases, they only have one team) won't hold a candle to incoming GA kids. It's going to get really interesting really fast.

I'm interested to see how the younger girls teams handle new teams magically forming beneath them from the FCV exodus. The talent on these new lower teams is likely going to surpass the top teams in their current state.

Let’s say that between FCV GA players, FCV United players and the existing Revolution players, there might be 50-55 players in an age group. Don’t think for a second that Revolution isn’t going to do and say anything to maximize that revenue stream! They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

GA limits rosters to 18 players. If they roster 25, they are going to lose girls and owe refunds.

Both GA and ECNL allow clubs to roster 30 players.

But, only 18 of the 30 can be made eligible for league games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

Is this what FCV has done in the past? Curious since CC is the GA director now at VRSC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current girls that are on the 'top team' (and in most cases, they only have one team) won't hold a candle to incoming GA kids. It's going to get really interesting really fast.

I'm interested to see how the younger girls teams handle new teams magically forming beneath them from the FCV exodus. The talent on these new lower teams is likely going to surpass the top teams in their current state.

Let’s say that between FCV GA players, FCV United players and the existing Revolution players, there might be 50-55 players in an age group. Don’t think for a second that Revolution isn’t going to do and say anything to maximize that revenue stream! They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

GA limits rosters to 18 players. If they roster 25, they are going to lose girls and owe refunds.

Both GA and ECNL allow clubs to roster 30 players.

But, only 18 of the 30 can be made eligible for league games.

FCV could get away with it. No one is taking an offer from VRSC for their kid to not even be on the roster. If this happened to my kid, I'd be in small claims court listening to VRSC explain that the roster spot that I paid for is not actually a spot on the roster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

Is this what FCV has done in the past? Curious since CC is the GA director now at VRSC.

This happens at ECNL clubs also. They just swap the names and offer RL and say dual, offer training with ECNL, rinse and repeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’ll give out 20-25 GA offers and everybody else gets a dual-roster offer (“You’re a great player and we definitely think you’re on track to play GA but you’re not quite ready just yet. So we want to dual roster you and you’ll train and play with the GA team on a regular basis! In the meantime, we have phenomenal EDP and NCSL teams…”). And then a few short months later, all those players and parents who thought they were going to Revolution to play GA will realize the reality of their situation. But at least Revolution could continue to make their mortgage payment on the Sportsplex!

Is this what FCV has done in the past? Curious since CC is the GA director now at VRSC.

This happens at ECNL clubs also. They just swap the names and offer RL and say dual, offer training with ECNL, rinse and repeat.

Indeed. A lot of big clubs are guilty of doing this with their top teams regardless of whether it’s GA or ECNL. Nobody wants to lose a player to another club because 1) that’s revenue lost and 2) they’d rather have you in their club on the off chance that they might want/need you at some point than to lose you to a competitor. The beauty of youth soccer (from a club’s perspective) is that there’s always a new wave of parents/players coming through who don’t know any better. If you have multiple kids that play soccer, you might have learned this with the first kid and then you’d probably question the sincerity of it with the second kid. But as a percentage, those types of families are, without a doubt, a minority. Before anybody screams “Well, my kid started as a dual roster and they moved up!”, I’m obviously not saying that it never happens, just that it is much more common that it doesn’t. It works out great for the clubs, though, because if they can convince a kid to stick around for a couple of years before they (or their parents) realize that it’s time for a change, that’s still two years of revenue that they collected and, oh look, there’s a new group of players/parents coming in the door right now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Indeed. A lot of big clubs are guilty of doing this with their top teams regardless of whether it’s GA or ECNL. Nobody wants to lose a player to another club because 1) that’s revenue lost and 2) they’d rather have you in their club on the off chance that they might want/need you at some point than to lose you to a competitor. The beauty of youth soccer (from a club’s perspective) is that there’s always a new wave of parents/players coming through who don’t know any better. If you have multiple kids that play soccer, you might have learned this with the first kid and then you’d probably question the sincerity of it with the second kid. But as a percentage, those types of families are, without a doubt, a minority. Before anybody screams “Well, my kid started as a dual roster and they moved up!”, I’m obviously not saying that it never happens, just that it is much more common that it doesn’t. It works out great for the clubs, though, because if they can convince a kid to stick around for a couple of years before they (or their parents) realize that it’s time for a change, that’s still two years of revenue that they collected and, oh look, there’s a new group of players/parents coming in the door right now!

Great info, thank you.

[Anonymous]

Some of the coaches are good. Some of them are good for the lack of top quality they have in their players. Some are "too old school" for the modern game (berating players and opponents, using the 4-4-2, playing a majority of their passes into the space the opponent leaves behind their line, sprinting into the open space, etc.), just as examples. I pulled my kids away from VRSC because it wasn't the right training environment for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the coaches are good. Some of them are good for the lack of top quality they have in their players. Some are "too old school" for the modern game (berating players and opponents, using the 4-4-2, playing a majority of their passes into the space the opponent leaves behind their line, sprinting into the open space, etc.), just as examples. I pulled my kids away from VRSC because it wasn't the right training environment for them.

“I took my kids to VRSC for the training environment!” - said no one, ever! 🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the coaches are good. Some of them are good for the lack of top quality they have in their players. Some are "too old school" for the modern game (berating players and opponents, using the 4-4-2, playing a majority of their passes into the space the opponent leaves behind their line, sprinting into the open space, etc.), just as examples. I pulled my kids away from VRSC because it wasn't the right training environment for them.

“I took my kids to VRSC for the training environment!” - said no one, ever! 🤣

Truth! Was there a year and couldn’t wait to get out of there. Regret not leaving mid season!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the coaches are good. Some of them are good for the lack of top quality they have in their players. Some are "too old school" for the modern game (berating players and opponents, using the 4-4-2, playing a majority of their passes into the space the opponent leaves behind their line, sprinting into the open space, etc.), just as examples. I pulled my kids away from VRSC because it wasn't the right training environment for them.

“I took my kids to VRSC for the training environment!” - said no one, ever! 🤣

Says parents paying for privates to make up for the lack of training environment at all dmv top clubs. 💀

[Anonymous]

VRSC doesn’t put up with coaches berating the kids and have let them go mid season at least a couple times that I know of.

Most kids that come over from FCV or Loudoun are surprised at the difference between coaching and general feel of the club. We have had great coaches.

[Anonymous]

Elaborate on why you’re laughing at the training environment. As someone who really doesn’t know why, I want to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elaborate on why you’re laughing at the training environment. As someone who really doesn’t know why, I want to know.

Quoting from the various GA announcements about the clubs that they've recently accepted:

Westside Metros FC

"The GA is excited to add a club that has a proven pathway of development from their youth through college and into the professional ranks, both domestically and internationally."

Seattle Celtic SC

"Their depth and competitive level will position them for success as a new member competing on an elite girls' soccer platform"

LFCIA SoCal

"Their competitive level and dedication to upholding the values of the GA will continue to grow a conference of proven strength."

SYC

"They have a proven record of player development that aligns with the values of the league."


Now let's see what the GA had to say when they announced that they were accepting Revolution:

"The leadership at VA Revolution have a vision and infrastructure that is sure to elevate the female pathway in the Northern Virginia market."

Wait, what? Vision and infrastructure?!? Wonder why they cited that instead of things like a "proven record of player development" or their teams "competitive level"? You know, the things that they cite for just about every other club that they accept. That should give you a hint about how good their training environment is, especially for a club that is going to play in one of the two supposedly "highest tiers" of girls travel soccer.