Accused of AI usage. Anyway to prove /disprove?

[Anonymous]

Who cares about writing essays at my job I use chatgpt to convey my thoughts as well as help me code. It's the future get used to it like spells check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares about writing essays at my job I use chatgpt to convey my thoughts as well as help me code. It's the future get used to it like spells check.

This looks like it was written by my first graders. Lord help us if an adult wrote this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares about writing essays at my job I use chatgpt to convey my thoughts as well as help me code. It's the future get used to it like spells check.

You must be a code wizard if you need spells check!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Show drafts, notes, and outlines leading to the finished product.

This is the answer.

This is what students are taught through K-12, and then throw away in college.

The old era of the all-nighter, day before it's due, extemporaneous essay is over.

Probably for the best thet it forces students to actually do the process.

The frustration is that professors won't preasure the students to do the prep before it's too late.
Train your kids to find accountability buddies to make them write drafts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Junior’s teacher said dc “made unfortunate decision to use AI” for writing assignment.

DC insists did not use.

How can one determine the truth?

I copied & pasted the text into google but nothing came up.

AI text doesn't match existing content. It's respun.

Ask your kid to summarize and explain their essay to you, and write notes, from memory. Record the convo to show the teacher.

[Anonymous]

If it's a small assignment, do a redo from scratch, and take good notes and drafts this time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My teen often prints out a copy of a draft and marks it up with scratch outs, arrows to rearrange etc. and later goes in and edits doc. would that look like cheating to someone looking at version history?

No because the edits are there. If he cut it pasted it into chapgpt and then came back and deleted the old and pasted the new it would look like cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they write in the Google version of word it will track each letter types and any copy and paste of text. Serves as a good audit trail.

This is the most useful comment I've ever read on DCUM!!!

I will absolutely make sure my kid does this! I use shared sheets for work and we use the history tab all the time to track who modified the document last when we find inconsistencies.

Although the work around is to split your view and just retype everything, it gives honest students a fighting chance against these inaccurate plagiarism checkers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

-Written like true AI

[Anonymous]

A few things to do:

Show drafts, rough copies, etc
Put his essay topic through a generator a few different ways and see if his essay is similar to that
Compare prior essays, it's obvious when the style of writing completely changes

Tell your kid you're going to do all of this and let him come clean if he was lying to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

-Written like true AI

Actually it's much more advanced than this. I copied this excerpt and asked AI to rewrite it in the voice of a high school student. It would have taken me minutes to tweak it further to get it close to a particular writing style:

We need to push for AI to be used in schools. Why stick to boring stuff like fixing grammar? Let's focus on the main ideas in our papers. Students should show they understand the material and can explain it well. And instead of getting in trouble for using AI, we should be told to use it more. Because soon, being good with AI will be just as important as knowing your stuff.

[Anonymous]

Didn't read through all the responses yet but this also just happened to my kid, HS sophomore. The teacher had run his paper through a checker and three of the passages had come out as highly likely (something like 80%+) to be AI generated. The teacher was not accusatory, told him he'd always turned in excellent work, but also said to make an appt. with her and if it was a first time mistake they would talk about how to move forward positively in the future.

My kid swore he didn't use it, so I went through each of the passages in question with DS. Luckily, I was sitting next to DS on the sofa when he did his final draft and specifically remembered talking with him about two of the three passages: 1) I had helped him with one piece (brief discussion about syntax as a rhetorical device) and then he wrote that passage and 2) I heard him write the conclusion (tapping at the chromebook) and he read it aloud to me before submitting it to ask what I thought. The third passage in question was not one I'd remembered him talking with me about so I asked him where he came up with the idea of using metaphor as a rhetorical device. He told me that ideas/some wording for that passage had come up after having a one-on-one discussion with the teacher about it in class!

DS met with teacher and told her I was with him when writing those 2 passages and reminded teacher she gave him the idea for the metaphor passage. She sent DH and me an email apologizing for the confusion after her meeting with DS.

I followed up with a very nice email to her to back up what DS had told her in the meeting. I also told her that it was time for the school to come up with some sort of policy/guidelines on chatGPT so that parents would know how to talk about it with their kids. Quite frankly, there are some teachers in some disciplines (math and science) who don't care if kids use it. I told her it was absolutely IMO not okay to use it for writing and that I'd told DS never to use it for writing. But I can see how that would be a slippery slope for kids when it's ok to use it in one area but then not another.

I also told her that the school should also give students ideas/ways/processes to prove the integrity of their work when it is questioned.

My email was very well-received, she was appreciative that I had taken time to let her know my kid's process in working on his final draft (earlier drafts had been done in class), and she forwarded my email in its entirety to the head of the English Dept. They will come up with specific policies for next year but agreed that giving students ways to prove they didn't cheat is an important piece of that policy.

Sorry for length of this post - this was our recent experience and put us all in awkward positions. As parents, do we side with the teacher and tell our kid we don't trust him, or side with our kid and tell the teacher we don't trust her? And then of course our kid felt awful that his teacher - who has had nothing but positive things to say about him all year - no longer trusted him. We were fortunate he had a teacher who handled it with grace.

In the end DS received a high mark on the paper (not unusual for him in this class) but the entire thing was unnerving to say the least.

[Anonymous]

^^Long-winded pp here again. What DS has learned from this? He will always run his papers through a checker himself to make sure it doesn't appear to be AI generated.

[Anonymous]

So similar to the example above but before AI, I was accused of plagiarism when I was in high school. In reality, I was a good student who got very into the paper topic. I was able to show through Google, turnitin.com (is this a thing anymore?), and a previous draft that I really had written the paper. Instead of apologizing, the teacher got annoyed with me and gave me a B out of spite. She had no evidence— she just thought the paper “seemed” too advanced.

This AI situation is much trickier but I’d caution you to think about your kid and what evidence there is— other than a hunch. It’s possible she’s right, or it’s possible she’s sensitive to this issue and may be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares about writing essays at my job I use chatgpt to convey my thoughts as well as help me code. It's the future get used to it like spells check.

I don't know if you're trolling, or not, but this is now a serious trend. As teachers start to glom on, AI will do to what remains of writing instruction what calculators did to math instruction. The results will not be good.