Accused of AI usage. Anyway to prove /disprove?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

You are 100% a troll.

Every time that we turn something over to technology, we lose something. Every. Time. That includes going from walking to biking or buggies to cars. It includes the way autopilot changed flying. It includes the invention of writing.

Maybe we don't mind if we lose it, based on what we gain, but I can't possibly see what we gain by turning writing over to AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Long-winded pp here again. What DS has learned from this? He will always run his papers through a checker himself to make sure it doesn't appear to be AI generated.

But will that hinder him from expressing his ideas, using "big" words and employee literary devices artfully? He should save all notes and drafts and write to the full extent of his ability. He should not censor or dumb down his work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Long-winded pp here again. What DS has learned from this? He will always run his papers through a checker himself to make sure it doesn't appear to be AI generated.

The real takeaway is that AI is only banned in fields that AI has made obsolete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Long-winded pp here again. What DS has learned from this? He will always run his papers through a checker himself to make sure it doesn't appear to be AI generated.

The real takeaway is that AI is only banned in fields that AI has made obsolete.

If you think AI has made writing obsolete you don't read enough good literature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Long-winded pp here again. What DS has learned from this? He will always run his papers through a checker himself to make sure it doesn't appear to be AI generated.

But will that hinder him from expressing his ideas, using "big" words and employee literary devices artfully? He should save all notes and drafts and write to the full extent of his ability. He should not censor or dumb down his work.

Well, sure, this is a concern. But hopefully next year the English dept will suggest (require?) students to do what you and others here have suggested (saving all drafts in google docs, etc.). If they don't, I will require my kid to do so before running the final paper through a checker.

To OP: I found these articles to be helpful in determining how to address this issue with my kid's teacher.

https://gadgetmates.com/falsely-accused-of-using-chatgpt-some-tips-on-how-to-respond
https://racinecountyeye.com/2023/08/23/to-prove-essay-wasnt-written-by-ai/

This one is about how teachers should handle the situation. Also a helpful perspective. As I mentioned, my kid was fortunate to have an understanding teacher, but may not be so lucky next time if this comes up again.

https://cte.ku.edu/careful-use-ai-detectors

[Anonymous]

Why don’t kids need to hand in draft outlines anymore? We used to do that to prevent accusations of cheating.

[Anonymous]

My son's school requires students to hand in a bibliography/works cited along with an outline for students in 9th/10th grades which is then approved before they hand in the final paper. This way, they have done the research first. Lots of writing is done in class on the spot so teachers get to know students' writing ability and style without the use of outside sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I'm more inclined to believe his teacher. AI usage is rampant, whether because kids are lazy and think they can get away with it or because otherwise motivated kids get behind the eight ball and panic. At this point AI is so formulaic, it's pretty easy to recognize.

High school kids' writing is pretty formulaic, too. Generative AI "detection" tools have notoriously high false positives, so I certainly wouldn't default to believing the teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t kids need to hand in draft outlines anymore? We used to do that to prevent accusations of cheating.

AI can make drafts, too

[Anonymous]

If a teacher makes an accusation, they need conclusive evidence.

And if it’s their policy to use checkers, they need to be up front and tell students about this policy and disclose which checkers they use. This way students can provide an explanation up front as to why the checker says AI is likely to have been used.

I agree with PP that preventative measures like submitting drafts should be part of the grading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

You are 100% a troll.

Every time that we turn something over to technology, we lose something. Every. Time. That includes going from walking to biking or buggies to cars. It includes the way autopilot changed flying. It includes the invention of writing.

Maybe we don't mind if we lose it, based on what we gain, but I can't possibly see what we gain by turning writing over to AI.

LOL, I think the post you are responding to was AI-generated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son's school requires students to hand in a bibliography/works cited along with an outline for students in 9th/10th grades which is then approved before they hand in the final paper. This way, they have done the research first. Lots of writing is done in class on the spot so teachers get to know students' writing ability and style without the use of outside sources.

Even before AI, when I was teaching college writing, I always did a lot of the writing in class. It was the only way to make sure they were actually doing it themselves. Any teacher giving important assignments or assessments outside of class is not doing it right. It's just kind of lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

You are 100% a troll.

Every time that we turn something over to technology, we lose something. Every. Time. That includes going from walking to biking or buggies to cars. It includes the way autopilot changed flying. It includes the invention of writing.

Maybe we don't mind if we lose it, based on what we gain, but I can't possibly see what we gain by turning writing over to AI.

LOL, I think the post you are responding to was AI-generated.

NP
It's also the type of thinking many CS majors roll out of school with. They are very dismissive of other subjects while being mentally limited and one dimensional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

You are 100% a troll.

Every time that we turn something over to technology, we lose something. Every. Time. That includes going from walking to biking or buggies to cars. It includes the way autopilot changed flying. It includes the invention of writing.

Maybe we don't mind if we lose it, based on what we gain, but I can't possibly see what we gain by turning writing over to AI.

LOL, I think the post you are responding to was AI-generated.

NP
It's also the type of thinking many CS majors roll out of school with. They are very dismissive of other subjects while being mentally limited and one dimensional.

Which is why CS majors should be required to also study the liberal arts. It also makes them better programmers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

You are 100% a troll.

Every time that we turn something over to technology, we lose something. Every. Time. That includes going from walking to biking or buggies to cars. It includes the way autopilot changed flying. It includes the invention of writing.

Maybe we don't mind if we lose it, based on what we gain, but I can't possibly see what we gain by turning writing over to AI.

LOL, I think the post you are responding to was AI-generated.

NP
It's also the type of thinking many CS majors roll out of school with. They are very dismissive of other subjects while being mentally limited and one dimensional.

Which is why CS majors should be required to also study the liberal arts. It also makes them better programmers.

They are in most CS programs.