AZ now bans abortion based on dormant 160-year old law

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Anonymous wrote:What about NV? I thought it was legal there, and I know there are parts of AZ that border NV.

I mostly know this because I was briefly looking at a school in UT for my child that is just minutes from the AZ border and maybe an hour from NV.

Sorry, just trying to figure out why they are left out of the discussion when abortion is still legal there afaik.

Nevada is very pro-choice. They have a Republican governor but the legislature is majority Democratic (and majority women!) plus they passed a state referendum years ago.
https://reproductiverights.org/maps/state/nevada/
https://19thnews.org/2021/01/nevada-legislature-majority-women/

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. Clearly this is what Republicans and AZ residents want. Where are the defenders of this law? I’d love to hear from them.

It’ll take a few hours for the trolls to find out their talking points.

But probably along the lines of “killing babies is disgusting/shameful/immoral”

What else can they say? Clearly it’s not in the best interests of women or society.

I think they’ll go with the “babies feel pain at 15 weeks” so we have to repeal AZ current law, which allows up to 15 weeks.

I can’t believe this is even happening at this point. Did they not just see Alabama flip a seat? How are these people so politically out of touch? Because they aren’t doing this on legal or moral grounds.

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Ok, so let’s not forget that it isn’t just ca, nm and co that will be a destination for some in az

Of course, this doesn’t help anyone is an emergency/ life of death situation

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Anyone IN ^^^

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Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't be any surprise here. This is exactly what the vast majority of Republicans believe - life begins at the moment of conception and all abortions are murder. Ergo, all abortions must be banned.

Trump and the Republican leadership believe states have the legal duty to ban all abortions. People are free to vote - or not vote - accordingly. For progressives these days, women's rights no longer matter. As progressives register their little third party protest votes, I would anticipate more and more states rolling back women's health care. Elections have consequences.

MAGA Republicans don’t believe life begins at conception. They are doing this to control 50% of the population. Read up on strongmen and authoritarianism.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn, even crazy Kari doesn’t like this.

To be fair, this is what she is saying to keep her campaign remotely viable. once in office, she will be more than craven enough to ban abortions. that is how the GoP rolls.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn, even crazy Kari doesn’t like this.

To be fair, this is what she is saying to keep her campaign remotely viable. once in office, she will be more than craven enough to ban abortions. that is how the GoP rolls.

Yes, and it’s a huge flip flop.
"I'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books... prohibit abortion in AZ except to save the life of a mother... we're going to be paving the way and setting course for other states to follow." - Kari Lake 2022
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/oct/12/katie-hobbs/az-gop-governor-hopeful-lake-called-near-total-abo/

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Can someone who knows the law better than me explain how an 1864 law has standing in Arizona? Arizona wasn't even a state until 1912. Arizona's Constitution dates to 1910. Arizona Territory was technically an entity separate from the state of Arizona, how is there still jurisdiction of Territory law? With this ruling, couldn't one then also argue that earlier Spanish Colonial laws are still in effect in Arizona, or that Navajo, Hopi or Apache laws predating Westerners are still in effect in Arizona?

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Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

A beautifully cryptic response from a simpleton who can’t parse out what this law does nor what effect it’s already had on women in states where similars laws have recently been enacted.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. Clearly this is what Republicans and AZ residents want. Where are the defenders of this law? I’d love to hear from them.

And enough signatures have been gathered to get abortion access on the ballot this fall. I don't know how the GOP is going to fight that now...and I don't know how they plan to win at the polls. In theory (i.e. per the current polls), Trump is leading this battleground state. But yeah, that's not going to happen.

Because they are stupid fks. Sorry, Jeff, someone has to say it.

Stupid, stupid fks. They couldn’t just argue to keep taxes low. They had to appeal to all the wack job fundies. Now they’re gonna lose all their elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. Clearly this is what Republicans and AZ residents want. Where are the defenders of this law? I’d love to hear from them.

And enough signatures have been gathered to get abortion access on the ballot this fall. I don't know how the GOP is going to fight that now...and I don't know how they plan to win at the polls. In theory (i.e. per the current polls), Trump is leading this battleground state. But yeah, that's not going to happen.

Because they are stupid fks. Sorry, Jeff, someone has to say it.

Stupid, stupid fks. They couldn’t just argue to keep taxes low. They had to appeal to all the wack job fundies. Now they’re gonna lose all their elections.

No necessarily. MAGA can intimidate pro-choice voters. Don’t you remember MAGA “monitoring” drop boxes with their automatic weapons?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. Clearly this is what Republicans and AZ residents want. Where are the defenders of this law? I’d love to hear from them.

It’ll take a few hours for the trolls to find out their talking points.

But probably along the lines of “killing babies is disgusting/shameful/immoral”

What else can they say? Clearly it’s not in the best interests of women or society.

I think they’ll go with the “babies feel pain at 15 weeks” so we have to repeal AZ current law, which allows up to 15 weeks.

I can’t believe this is even happening at this point. Did they not just see Alabama flip a seat? How are these people so politically out of touch? Because they aren’t doing this on legal or moral grounds.

You know what is also painful? Giving birth. If "feels pain" is the standard that works both ways.

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Kari Lake has campaigned on abortion bans and even banning the drugs that induce abortion.

Hard for her to walk that position back, no matter how much she tries. Video is there.

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Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

Sure but MDs have to protect themselves and hospitals are going to want to consult with a lawyer first. Women will die. Women with other living children relying on them.

OBGYNs already have the most expensive malpractice insurance. It’s going to be hard to find a doctor for all pregnant women.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone who knows the law better than me explain how an 1864 law has standing in Arizona? Arizona wasn't even a state until 1912. Arizona's Constitution dates to 1910. Arizona Territory was technically an entity separate from the state of Arizona, how is there still jurisdiction of Territory law? With this ruling, couldn't one then also argue that earlier Spanish Colonial laws are still in effect in Arizona, or that Navajo, Hopi or Apache laws predating Westerners are still in effect in Arizona?

It was a Confederate Territory in 1864 FFS.