AZ now bans abortion based on dormant 160-year old law

[Anonymous]

Oh boy, the hits just keep coming for swing states. This bans abortion at the point of conception. California, Colorado, and New Mexico are expected to get a flood of Arizonans seeking abortions and fertility treatment. It will imperil women undergoing emergency complications in their wanted pregnancies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/us/arizona-abortion-ban.html

[Anonymous]

Life of the mother is an exception

[Anonymous]

Congratulations Senator Gallego!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

That hasn’t worked at all in the dozen+ states which already have bans. This woman almost died twice when she was denied a necessary abortion for a nonviable fetus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

And if you’re a doctor and someone disagrees with your call on “life of the mother,” you get at least two years in jail. So you wait until it is so bad no one can argue the point. At which point, she might still die, and have permanent injuries and/or be infertile as a result. Because extreme impairment of a mother’s health and fertility are not allowed. You go to jail for these. You want to be an MD in AZ making this call? Of course not. This is why OB-Gyns are fleeing red states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

Oh really? And when exactly does "life of the mother" begin, per the AZ SC?

Enjoy the lawyers from the GC's office debating in the OR over a hemorrhaging woman:

Todd from GC's office: "She looks pretty grim, I think its OK to provide her with an abortion."
Bob from GC's office: "I don't know. I think we should wait another 30 minutes and see what happens. God forbid the local elected prosecutor tries to make an example out of us or one of us ends up on Fox News."
OB/GYN surgeon who spent 22+ years in education and training: "You're both assh#les."

[Anonymous]

This is exactly what the Rs are planning with the Comstock Act. They're just going to announce that actually abortion is already banned, no new legislation needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, the hits just keep coming for swing states. This bans abortion at the point of conception. California, Colorado, and New Mexico are expected to get a flood of Arizonans seeking abortions and fertility treatment. It will imperil women undergoing emergency complications in their wanted pregnancies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/us/arizona-abortion-ban.html

CA healthcare system is full. Arizonians need to figure it out on their own.

Elections have consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

Nah, they really don't care, and the physicians don't want to go to jail, so it's the mother who usually dies.

[Anonymous]

The effects of this are obviously catastrophic (as discussed in numerous threads), but the optics of this are terrible for the GOP. Abortion is outright banned based on a law from 1864 (before Arizona was even a state). How do you even start to spin that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life of the mother is an exception

And who decides when the mother’s life is endangered enough? Normally, an unnecessary medical procedure would go to the medical disciplinary board and MDs would decide. Here, an elected prosecutor in a red areas of the state can bring you to trail because they— with zero medical training— disagree with one decision in an emergency situation.

So tell me. I had an ectopic pregnancy. Was my life in danger before it ruptured? Because I had one caught when it ruptured. And it was very scary and touch and go. And I lost a fallopian tube. And I needed major abdominal surgery to stop internal bleeding. If it had been terminated before my life was in danger, I would have taken a pill at home and miscarried my wanted pregnancy in private, with no damage to be reproductive system and without the abdominal scars I have to remind me every damn day and without the awful recovery. But, at least I survived to raise the two kids I already had.

In AZ today, MDs would be safest waiting for rupture and performing major surgery and accepting some percentage of women will die needlessly. Because some GOP men seem to think you can “reimplant” an ectopic pregnancy. Which has never happened in the history of every. And the mother’s life isn’t in danger until rupture. So, terminating a non viable pregnancy early could land your MD in jail.

Of course an 1800s law has no exception for ectopic pregnancies— because without US, you couldn’t diagnose before rupture. And women usually did die.

Not to mention, this leaves us with 10 year olds bearing incest babies.


Under his eye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The effects of this are obviously catastrophic (as discussed in numerous threads), but the optics of this are terrible for the GOP. Abortion is outright banned based on a law from 1864 (before Arizona was even a state). How do you even start to spin that?

They love laws left over from before women could vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, the hits just keep coming for swing states. This bans abortion at the point of conception. California, Colorado, and New Mexico are expected to get a flood of Arizonans seeking abortions and fertility treatment. It will imperil women undergoing emergency complications in their wanted pregnancies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/us/arizona-abortion-ban.html

Brother muckers. All of them.

[Anonymous]

Come on. Clearly this is what Republicans and AZ residents want. Where are the defenders of this law? I’d love to hear from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come on. Clearly this is what Republicans and AZ residents want. Where are the defenders of this law? I’d love to hear from them.

And enough signatures have been gathered to get abortion access on the ballot this fall. I don't know how the GOP is going to fight that now...and I don't know how they plan to win at the polls. In theory (i.e. per the current polls), Trump is leading this battleground state. But yeah, that's not going to happen.