Where are your UNDER 1400 SAT kids going?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget: C’s earn degrees!

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They do. They are also doctors and lawyers. Maybe even your doctor or your lawyer.

There is always someone at the bottom of the class and you will never know who they are.

They might get C's in Law or med school. But C's for undergrad do not get you into Med/Law school. Hard to have a 3.9GPA with a few Cs, and you cannot get them in Prereqs for Med school.



But yes if not going onto professional school/grad school, Cs do get degrees

I know such a student who is now in med school. Had Cs as undergrade and not great final GPA. Did a masters and took 2 gap years with internships and studied hard for the MCAT. It might not have been a direct UG to Med school jump, but they got there with determination.

So they got their because of their MS gpa and 2 years of work. There's a reason they did that--because their undergrad alone was not going to make them a viable candidate for medical school.
Gonna goes they had a really good MCAT and excellent GPA for their MS and great recommendations for their internship specifically targetted for someone on path to med school. That is very different.
Point still stands that most people are not getting into medical school with a sub 3.7GPA

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Anonymous wrote:Are they happy? Where did they apply and get in/not get in? Merit anywhere?

In at UVA, UCSD, UCSB - offered significant merit at two 'Likely' schools.

How on earth did a kid with that SAT get into UVA?

I have 2 kids over 1500 with exceptional stats, good enough to be accepted to top 10 universities, who were rejected from UVA. We know of several kids from our high school who this happened to.

I am sorry, but a kid with those stats should not have been accepted at UVA over a kid with 1500 or above.

Wow, did your kids inherit your sense of entitlement? You, and likely your high scoring kids, need to get over yourselves.

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The SAT score is just one of many factors.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS got a 1290 on the SAT (3.98 weighted gpa from FCPS) and is going to JMU this fall.

He also applied and got into Penn State and GMU.

Did he submit the 1290 at JMU?

Mine got a 1480 and was WL at JMU!

Ummmmm what?!
Please say more about this, PP. GPA? Rigor? No EC’s? Very large percentage of higher stat applicants from same high school??
That seems insane.

Has to be yield protection!

But everyone on DCUM tells me it’s not yield protection. LOL

I have no idea why he didn’t get it - it was his first choice because he knew his stats were not competitive enough for UVA, GT and W&M. But when they say that schools know whether students would be a good fit, they must be right. He’s at an OOS school right now (with merit) and doing really well (at the top in his major). He’s found his stride and I’m super-happy for him. Maybe JMU wouldn’t have been a good fit after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone here has scores over 1400?!

It's just that these are the only people posting stats on dcum.

Also in TO climate, thear are the only kids sending test scores.
So with all these ranges skewing SO high, it understandably looks like you may as well not bother trying if you don”t have a 1420 or higher.
But I imagine it’s just that the 1250-1420 crowd is doing just fine. They are simply going test optional.

It's an issue when you want in state and your in state isn't test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of these posts underscore that VA really needs to return to SAT required.

The JMU and UVA posts are a particular travesty.

“travesty” 😝😝😝

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Anonymous wrote:You just have to take everything you read here with a grain of salt. That thread about where your kid is going has like 6 kids going to Stanford. Doubt it. We have a lot of teenagers here and a lot of people who just like to troll.

It's just weird all the kids seem to have SAT scores above 1500. It'd be nice to see where kids who are good students but not top go.

I think that’s because schools like George Mason, UMBC or local Jesuit colleges suit the needs of most kids with SATs in the 1100 to 1400 range very well and have plenty of capacity. As long as those kids are happy with the normal options and can pay for the options, they don’t have to think about this a lot.

The kids with scores under 1400 who have college application stress are probably fairly unusual kids who have test scores that fail to reflect their abilities, have an unusually high level of ambition, have Tiger parents, need a lot of merit aid or need something the regular college options don’t offer.

Meanwhile, for kids with scores over 1400 in places like Maryland and Virginia, most of the normal college options are now highly selective schools with capacity problems and complicated, unpredictable admissions processes. They need a lot more advice than the kids aiming for the less selective schools need.

I'll bite. Tell us what "local jesuit college" allows for under 1500. Citation, please.

1. You’re responding to me here. Obviously: Most people here with kids with SATs under 1400 either have a hard time getting information (because, for example, they’re from other countries) or their kids have the special situations.

2. An example of an area Jesuit college that’s hungry for students, has an 84% acceptance rate and has a cutoff of just 1267 for students to be in the top quarter and cutoff of 1100 for the bottom quarter: Loyola University Maryland — https://www.niche.com/colleges/loyola-university-maryland/

It has about 4,000 students and a lovely urban campus.

Just the fact that it’s a Jesuit school means that it’s probably a great school either for a student who just wants a credential or for a student who enjoys the classes and wants to go deeper.

Most kids with SATs over 1400 might not leap to go there, but it seems like a fine, accessible school. If a student who’s a good fit for that school wants to go there, that student doesn’t have to spend a lot of time going on DCUM to figure out what the admissions office will want.

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Anonymous wrote:You just have to take everything you read here with a grain of salt. That thread about where your kid is going has like 6 kids going to Stanford. Doubt it. We have a lot of teenagers here and a lot of people who just like to troll.

It's just weird all the kids seem to have SAT scores above 1500. It'd be nice to see where kids who are good students but not top go.

I think that’s because schools like George Mason, UMBC or local Jesuit colleges suit the needs of most kids with SATs in the 1100 to 1400 range very well and have plenty of capacity. As long as those kids are happy with the normal options and can pay for the options, they don’t have to think about this a lot.

The kids with scores under 1400 who have college application stress are probably fairly unusual kids who have test scores that fail to reflect their abilities, have an unusually high level of ambition, have Tiger parents, need a lot of merit aid or need something the regular college options don’t offer.

Meanwhile, for kids with scores over 1400 in places like Maryland and Virginia, most of the normal college options are now highly selective schools with capacity problems and complicated, unpredictable admissions processes. They need a lot more advice than the kids aiming for the less selective schools need.

I'll bite. Tell us what "local jesuit college" allows for under 1500. Citation, please.

1. You’re responding to me here. Obviously: Most people here with kids with SATs under 1400 either have a hard time getting information (because, for example, they’re from other countries) or their kids have the special situations.

2. An example of an area Jesuit college that’s hungry for students, has an 84% acceptance rate and has a cutoff of just 1267 for students to be in the top quarter and cutoff of 1100 for the bottom quarter: Loyola University Maryland — https://www.niche.com/colleges/loyola-university-maryland/

It has about 4,000 students and a lovely urban campus.

Just the fact that it’s a Jesuit school means that it’s probably a great school either for a student who just wants a credential or for a student who enjoys the classes and wants to go deeper.

Most kids with SATs over 1400 might not leap to go there, but it seems like a fine, accessible school. If a student who’s a good fit for that school wants to go there, that student doesn’t have to spend a lot of time going on DCUM to figure out what the admissions office will want.

Loyola is a great school in many ways and the faculty is excellent (I was an adjunct tgere for a few years after attending grad school). It is pretty expensive.

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Loyola's list price is just under 70k per year

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Anonymous wrote:Above 1300 is still a really high SAT score!

Yes...people on DCUM act like it's not but it is a very good score (1350= 94th/90th national/test taker percentile, respectively; 1390 gets you to 97th/92nd). Now, I assume those numbers are for a single sitting and superscoring and multiple test taking skews things but people here act like a 1350 is subpar. It's absurd.

The issue is that it’s a good NATIONAL score, but not particularly competitive for DMV area.
For example, even if you scored in the high 1400s, which is GREAT—you have to consider that Stanford isn’t going to admit an entire entering class (or even more than 30 or so) from one geographic area. So your 1480 might get you a good look if you’re that one kid who lives on a farm in Montana, but not from DMV where 600 other 4.0 applicants (with major ECs) scored 1550+ than you.

I wonder about this. Is "DMV" treated like a monolith? Is the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from an underresourced DCPS school that has an average score of 950 treated the same as the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from one of the top privates where that score may very well be the average? I honestly don't know the answer to that question...but assuming that neither kid is first generation and that the colleges can't consider race, do they look at the school resources to contextualize the school?

The majority of selective colleges consider the resources available at the high school level. A kid at Dunbar who scores 1400 will not be compared to a Sidwell kid who scores 1400. This board assumes that every kid is from a well-resourced public or private high school. Plenty of AOs have gone on the record explaining this, e.g., Yale, UVA, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.

Let's split the difference: what about a kid with 1400 at Walls or J-R? Definitely underresourced schools compared to Sidwell...but presumbably those kids are not going to get the same kind of "contextual" advantage, except they may only have a handful of kids applying from their school versus 30 from Sidwell.

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Anonymous wrote:Above 1300 is still a really high SAT score!

Yes...people on DCUM act like it's not but it is a very good score (1350= 94th/90th national/test taker percentile, respectively; 1390 gets you to 97th/92nd). Now, I assume those numbers are for a single sitting and superscoring and multiple test taking skews things but people here act like a 1350 is subpar. It's absurd.

The issue is that it’s a good NATIONAL score, but not particularly competitive for DMV area.
For example, even if you scored in the high 1400s, which is GREAT—you have to consider that Stanford isn’t going to admit an entire entering class (or even more than 30 or so) from one geographic area. So your 1480 might get you a good look if you’re that one kid who lives on a farm in Montana, but not from DMV where 600 other 4.0 applicants (with major ECs) scored 1550+ than you.

I wonder about this. Is "DMV" treated like a monolith? Is the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from an underresourced DCPS school that has an average score of 950 treated the same as the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from one of the top privates where that score may very well be the average? I honestly don't know the answer to that question...but assuming that neither kid is first generation and that the colleges can't consider race, do they look at the school resources to contextualize the school?

The majority of selective colleges consider the resources available at the high school level. A kid at Dunbar who scores 1400 will not be compared to a Sidwell kid who scores 1400. This board assumes that every kid is from a well-resourced public or private high school. Plenty of AOs have gone on the record explaining this, e.g., Yale, UVA, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.

Let's split the difference: what about a kid with 1400 at Walls or J-R? Definitely underresourced schools compared to Sidwell...but presumbably those kids are not going to get the same kind of "contextual" advantage, except they may only have a handful of kids applying from their school versus 30 from Sidwell.

At our school (which is a very average -but considered good for our area- large public with a wide spectrum of students in terms of parental backgrounds) average is 1200 for SAT. I checked and Sidwell is 1450 average. I do hope colleges consider this!

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Anonymous wrote:Above 1300 is still a really high SAT score!

Yes...people on DCUM act like it's not but it is a very good score (1350= 94th/90th national/test taker percentile, respectively; 1390 gets you to 97th/92nd). Now, I assume those numbers are for a single sitting and superscoring and multiple test taking skews things but people here act like a 1350 is subpar. It's absurd.

The issue is that it’s a good NATIONAL score, but not particularly competitive for DMV area.
For example, even if you scored in the high 1400s, which is GREAT—you have to consider that Stanford isn’t going to admit an entire entering class (or even more than 30 or so) from one geographic area. So your 1480 might get you a good look if you’re that one kid who lives on a farm in Montana, but not from DMV where 600 other 4.0 applicants (with major ECs) scored 1550+ than you.

I wonder about this. Is "DMV" treated like a monolith? Is the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from an underresourced DCPS school that has an average score of 950 treated the same as the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from one of the top privates where that score may very well be the average? I honestly don't know the answer to that question...but assuming that neither kid is first generation and that the colleges can't consider race, do they look at the school resources to contextualize the school?

The majority of selective colleges consider the resources available at the high school level. A kid at Dunbar who scores 1400 will not be compared to a Sidwell kid who scores 1400. This board assumes that every kid is from a well-resourced public or private high school. Plenty of AOs have gone on the record explaining this, e.g., Yale, UVA, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.

Let's split the difference: what about a kid with 1400 at Walls or J-R? Definitely underresourced schools compared to Sidwell...but presumbably those kids are not going to get the same kind of "contextual" advantage, except they may only have a handful of kids applying from their school versus 30 from Sidwell.

It depends on the average SAT score for Walls or J-R and also the socioeconomic status of the individual student. If a kid is low-income at Walls scores 1400, and the average score is 1100, that kid will get a contextual advantage compared to a student at Sidwell. For example, a Yale AO explained this in their admissions podcast.

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Anonymous wrote:Above 1300 is still a really high SAT score!

Yes...people on DCUM act like it's not but it is a very good score (1350= 94th/90th national/test taker percentile, respectively; 1390 gets you to 97th/92nd). Now, I assume those numbers are for a single sitting and superscoring and multiple test taking skews things but people here act like a 1350 is subpar. It's absurd.

The issue is that it’s a good NATIONAL score, but not particularly competitive for DMV area.
For example, even if you scored in the high 1400s, which is GREAT—you have to consider that Stanford isn’t going to admit an entire entering class (or even more than 30 or so) from one geographic area. So your 1480 might get you a good look if you’re that one kid who lives on a farm in Montana, but not from DMV where 600 other 4.0 applicants (with major ECs) scored 1550+ than you.

I wonder about this. Is "DMV" treated like a monolith? Is the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from an underresourced DCPS school that has an average score of 950 treated the same as the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from one of the top privates where that score may very well be the average? I honestly don't know the answer to that question...but assuming that neither kid is first generation and that the colleges can't consider race, do they look at the school resources to contextualize the school?

The majority of selective colleges consider the resources available at the high school level. A kid at Dunbar who scores 1400 will not be compared to a Sidwell kid who scores 1400. This board assumes that every kid is from a well-resourced public or private high school. Plenty of AOs have gone on the record explaining this, e.g., Yale, UVA, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.

Let's split the difference: what about a kid with 1400 at Walls or J-R? Definitely underresourced schools compared to Sidwell...but presumbably those kids are not going to get the same kind of "contextual" advantage, except they may only have a handful of kids applying from their school versus 30 from Sidwell.

It depends on the average SAT score for Walls or J-R and also the socioeconomic status of the individual student. If a kid is low-income at Walls scores 1400, and the average score is 1100, that kid will get a contextual advantage compared to a student at Sidwell. For example, a Yale AO explained this in their admissions podcast.

That makes sense...what if the average score at Walls is 110 but the 1400 kid there is upper income? I'm guessing that is actually a realistic scenario.

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1310. Tulane. She’s thrilled. No merit but was offered merit from other schools like Fordham, College of Charleston. She was deferred EA as TO and submitted scores late, accepted. I agree they just have to be in the range. And that’s still above 90th percentile!! Everyone needs to calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:Above 1300 is still a really high SAT score!

Yes...people on DCUM act like it's not but it is a very good score (1350= 94th/90th national/test taker percentile, respectively; 1390 gets you to 97th/92nd). Now, I assume those numbers are for a single sitting and superscoring and multiple test taking skews things but people here act like a 1350 is subpar. It's absurd.

The issue is that it’s a good NATIONAL score, but not particularly competitive for DMV area.
For example, even if you scored in the high 1400s, which is GREAT—you have to consider that Stanford isn’t going to admit an entire entering class (or even more than 30 or so) from one geographic area. So your 1480 might get you a good look if you’re that one kid who lives on a farm in Montana, but not from DMV where 600 other 4.0 applicants (with major ECs) scored 1550+ than you.

I wonder about this. Is "DMV" treated like a monolith? Is the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from an underresourced DCPS school that has an average score of 950 treated the same as the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from one of the top privates where that score may very well be the average? I honestly don't know the answer to that question...but assuming that neither kid is first generation and that the colleges can't consider race, do they look at the school resources to contextualize the school?

The majority of selective colleges consider the resources available at the high school level. A kid at Dunbar who scores 1400 will not be compared to a Sidwell kid who scores 1400. This board assumes that every kid is from a well-resourced public or private high school. Plenty of AOs have gone on the record explaining this, e.g., Yale, UVA, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.

Let's split the difference: what about a kid with 1400 at Walls or J-R? Definitely underresourced schools compared to Sidwell...but presumbably those kids are not going to get the same kind of "contextual" advantage, except they may only have a handful of kids applying from their school versus 30 from Sidwell.

It depends on the average SAT score for Walls or J-R and also the socioeconomic status of the individual student. If a kid is low-income at Walls scores 1400, and the average score is 1100, that kid will get a contextual advantage compared to a student at Sidwell. For example, a Yale AO explained this in their admissions podcast.

That makes sense...what if the average score at Walls is 110 but the 1400 kid there is upper income? I'm guessing that is actually a realistic scenario.

According to the YCBK, Yale, and Dartmouth podcasts, the UMC kid wouldn't have an advantage in that context because colleges also consider parent education, job titles, zip code, etc. Schools are looking for low-income/first-generation outliers.

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Anonymous wrote:Above 1300 is still a really high SAT score!

Yes...people on DCUM act like it's not but it is a very good score (1350= 94th/90th national/test taker percentile, respectively; 1390 gets you to 97th/92nd). Now, I assume those numbers are for a single sitting and superscoring and multiple test taking skews things but people here act like a 1350 is subpar. It's absurd.

The issue is that it’s a good NATIONAL score, but not particularly competitive for DMV area.
For example, even if you scored in the high 1400s, which is GREAT—you have to consider that Stanford isn’t going to admit an entire entering class (or even more than 30 or so) from one geographic area. So your 1480 might get you a good look if you’re that one kid who lives on a farm in Montana, but not from DMV where 600 other 4.0 applicants (with major ECs) scored 1550+ than you.

I wonder about this. Is "DMV" treated like a monolith? Is the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from an underresourced DCPS school that has an average score of 950 treated the same as the "DMV kid" with a 1400 from one of the top privates where that score may very well be the average? I honestly don't know the answer to that question...but assuming that neither kid is first generation and that the colleges can't consider race, do they look at the school resources to contextualize the school?

The majority of selective colleges consider the resources available at the high school level. A kid at Dunbar who scores 1400 will not be compared to a Sidwell kid who scores 1400. This board assumes that every kid is from a well-resourced public or private high school. Plenty of AOs have gone on the record explaining this, e.g., Yale, UVA, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.

Let's split the difference: what about a kid with 1400 at Walls or J-R? Definitely underresourced schools compared to Sidwell...but presumbably those kids are not going to get the same kind of "contextual" advantage, except they may only have a handful of kids applying from their school versus 30 from Sidwell.

It depends on the average SAT score for Walls or J-R and also the socioeconomic status of the individual student. If a kid is low-income at Walls scores 1400, and the average score is 1100, that kid will get a contextual advantage compared to a student at Sidwell. For example, a Yale AO explained this in their admissions podcast.

That makes sense...what if the average score at Walls is 110 but the 1400 kid there is upper income? I'm guessing that is actually a realistic scenario.

According to the YCBK, Yale, and Dartmouth podcasts, the UMC kid wouldn't have an advantage in that context because colleges also consider parent education, job titles, zip code, etc. Schools are looking for low-income/first-generation outliers.

So the Ivies have only rich private school kids and poor public school kids.