9 Reasons to NOT get the H1N1 Vaccine

[Anonymous]

Disregarding all the gibberish and crackpot "science," i'd just submit that it's your choice not to get your kids vaccinated against the flu b/c, as you say, it isn't deadly. however, my neighbor's kid didn't get the flu shot last year and she was home for EIGHT days with him. who wants that? so maybe it won't be life or death, but the flu is a real pain in the ass for everyone involved!!!

[Anonymous]

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2009/10/12/091012taco_talk_specter

Please read this. The most interesting part of the article: had the H1N1 virus appeared a few months before it did, it would have been rolled into this year's seasonal flu vaccine without much fuss. But the timing of its appearance meant that it required a separate production.

After reading this, please visit the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website, the CDC website, or any other reputable website for information instead of relying on Jenny McCarthy and her ilk for information.

I wonder if the anti-vaccine crowd is going to merge with the anti-government crowd in all of its nutty, paranoid glory?

[Anonymous]

I would agree with #1. At least, that is Dr. Sears' view and I trust him more than other docs when it comes to vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2009/10/12/091012taco_talk_specter

Please read this. The most interesting part of the article: had the H1N1 virus appeared a few months before it did, it would have been rolled into this year's seasonal flu vaccine without much fuss. But the timing of its appearance meant that it required a separate production.

After reading this, please visit the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website, the CDC website, or any other reputable website for information instead of relying on Jenny McCarthy and her ilk for information.

I wonder if the anti-vaccine crowd is going to merge with the anti-government crowd in all of its nutty, paranoid glory?

Just read this last night and got the kids vaccinated this morning....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:that's fine. dont get your vaccine. your choice. but your post is full of inaccurate statements and I hope others dont believe everything they read.

Yes, there are a lot of incorrect statements in OP's initial post. It's completely fair that people ask questions about vaccines, and get full and correct answers. But OP isn't doing anyone any good by posting false information.

[Anonymous]

Rebutting your points one by one:

Anonymous wrote:I already decided the kids and I are not getting this vaccine. Is there anyone here that is/has or is not? Thoughts on the list?

9 Reasons not to get the H1N1 vaccine:

1. The swine flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly.
[i]So far, yes. But historically the second wave of pandemic flu, which hits in the fall/winter (first wave hits the previous spring), is much more deadly.

2. This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time?
False for the vast majority of the population. Only true in very young children who have not received the shot before. If you had gotten a seasonal flu shot yet this season you'd know this was incorrect.

3. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?
No adjuvants in the U.S. H1N1 vaccine. So false.

4. This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. The vaccines that have been tested are not the same vaccines your children will be given.
Not sure what you're talking about here. The H1N1 vaccine is manufactured exactly the same why seasonal flu vax are, just against a different strain.

5. Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. Meanwhile, veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.
Even if one buys that there is over-vaccination, there is nothing here to suggest why it's a problem.

6. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated.
Vaccines have been repeatedly disproven as a cause of autism.

7. Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain.
This is true but not sure how it's connected to the vaccine. IF anything, it's an argument in favor of vaccination, since that means fewer people will get sick and thus need anti-viral drugs.

8. Most seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus strains tested from the United States and other countries are now resistant to Tamiflu (oseltamivir). Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu.
Ditto number 7. This is an argument in FAVOR of vaccination, not against. Wouldn't you want to be vaccinated against something for which there are limited effective treatments?

9. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.
Please provide peer reviewed literature supporting this point.

For even more reasons -- 18 in all -- please review the full article on LewRockwell.com.

[Anonymous]

The original post contains one lie after another. It's a shame that uninformed people are taken in by such misinformation. I'll just take on a few of the biggest lies.

1. The swine flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly.

Wrong - a number of people (including children and pregnant women) have already died as a result of swine flu, and many others have been hospitalized with serious complications.

2. This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time?

Wrong - the seasonal flu vaccine only requires two innoculations if you are under 9 years old and have never received a flu shot before. The swine flu vaccination is approved for one dose in patients 10 years of age and older. Children younger than 10 will need two doses.

3. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?

Wrong - thimerosal is not an adjuvant. It is a preservative. It is made of ethylmercury, which is not the same as methylmercury. Numerous scientific studies have shown that thimerosal does not cause autism. Preservative free versions of both the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines are available. The US versions of the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines DO NOT contain adjuvants - the European versions do.

6. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated.

Wrong - autism does indeed exist in the Amish community. There is a clinic for special children in Amish country that is devoted to treating autism and other developmental disorders. Dan Olmsted somehow "forgot" to visit this clinic when he was conducting his "study" which has been debunked countless times. And by the way, many Amish DO vaccinate their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's parents like you that make me glad I didn't put my child in day care where he may get in contact with your unvaccinated child. You're an idiot.

Not just an idiot, but a dangerous idiot. I hope people don't get taken in by this charlatan. The autism/vaccination link has been comprehensively disproved, you won't find any reputable doctors who support it.

OP, you should be ashamed of your ignorance, and even more ashamed by your attempts to persuade the gullible into being taken in by your undigested mish-mash of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

Ditto to this. STOP SPREADING CRAP all over the place! It's unscientific and untrue, unfounded, and entirely without merit. I am getting so frustrated with people who spew this vomit without doing any real research!

[Anonymous]

OP, you are a complete IDIOT. You are probably one of those FREELOADERS who chooses not to vaccinate at all because my vaccinated kid is providing yours with some immunity. Love your example about the Amish. Did you know that the Amish have also recently had measles and polio outbreaks? People like you put everyone at risk, especially newborns who are too young to receive vaccinations and those with weakened immune systems. Shame on you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The original post contains one lie after another. It's a shame that uninformed people are taken in by such misinformation. I'll just take on a few of the biggest lies.

1. The swine flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly.

Wrong - a number of people (including children and pregnant women) have already died as a result of swine flu, and many others have been hospitalized with serious complications. [u]

2. This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time?

Wrong - the seasonal flu vaccine only requires two innoculations if you are under 9 years old and have never received a flu shot before. The swine flu vaccination is approved for one dose in patients 10 years of age and older. Children younger than 10 will need two doses.

3. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?

Wrong - thimerosal is not an adjuvant. It is a preservative. It is made of ethylmercury, which is not the same as methylmercury. Numerous scientific studies have shown that thimerosal does not cause autism. Preservative free versions of both the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines are available. The US versions of the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines DO NOT contain adjuvants - the European versions do.

6. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated.

Wrong - autism does indeed exist in the Amish community. There is a clinic for special children in Amish country that is devoted to treating autism and other developmental disorders. Dan Olmsted somehow "forgot" to visit this clinic when he was conducting his "study" which has been debunked countless times. And by the way, many Amish DO vaccinate their children.

The majority of people who died had pre-existing medical conditions that made the flu that much worse for them.

[Anonymous]

PP that my be true (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) but my understanding is that a statistically significant number of healthy young adults and children died from the swine flu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you are a complete IDIOT. You are probably one of those FREELOADERS who chooses not to vaccinate at all because my vaccinated kid is providing yours with some immunity. Love your example about the Amish. Did you know that the Amish have also recently had measles and polio outbreaks? People like you put everyone at risk, especially newborns who are too young to receive vaccinations and those with weakened immune systems. Shame on you!

Completely agree with this! Autism would not be a problem if people stopped vaccinating their children because they would die from many other diseases that would make autism look like a walk in the park. I'm not at all ridiculing children or parents of children with Autism, but I think we can all agree that Polio is much worse.

[Anonymous]

To me OP's opinion on the H1N1 vaccine is useless as she's clearly anti all vaccines. Most families have already decided if they are vaccinators or free-loaders. For free-loaders, of course they're not going to get the H1N1 vaccine. So really, this "are you doing it or not" debate is only helpful among those that do get normal vaccinations for their kids and at least have considered getting the seasonal flu shot too.

I agree w/ PPs that OP's way off base. I haven't decided for sure yet on the h1N1 shot but am leaning towards DD getting it because she's in a nannyshare w/ another boy who has an older brother in preschool. So she gets TONS of colds from him as it is - i'm worried about the flu spreading through the brother's preschool to us.

[Anonymous]

I have the flu right now and don't know which one it is, but it is kicking my ass. I would use what is available to lower the chances that my child does not get it.

[Anonymous]

12:51 and 12:57, it's true that people with underlying health problems are especially at risk, but some otherwise healthy people have also become severely ill or have died as a result of H1N1. Here is one example of a five-year-old boy in Texas who did not have any known medical problems. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/SwineFlu/year-boy-dies-swine-flu/story?id=8574314