H5N1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you’re in the Health and Medicine forum and you click on the very last page (2184, I think), you’ll see that every single post was about H1N1 back in 2009. A little deja vu.

How did that turn out?

[Anonymous]

At this point the FDA is saying that it is highly likely, but not certain, that normal pasteurization will kill H5N1.

On Twitter there is discussion in the science community and it appears that many are moving towards ultra-pasteurized milk as a precaution until more is known.

[Anonymous]

No traces found in toddler/infant formula by the FDA so far. That would create a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re in the Health and Medicine forum and you click on the very last page (2184, I think), you’ll see that every single post was about H1N1 back in 2009. A little deja vu.

How did that turn out?

Fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re in the Health and Medicine forum and you click on the very last page (2184, I think), you’ll see that every single post was about H1N1 back in 2009. A little deja vu.

How did that turn out?

Fine.

Except for the covidians trying to shut things down. Next time we'll know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you’re in the Health and Medicine forum and you click on the very last page (2184, I think), you’ll see that every single post was about H1N1 back in 2009. A little deja vu.

Weird, I didn’t remember that there was a vaccine for it. 2009 was a pretty shitty year though so I was thinking about other things.

[Anonymous]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/h5/worker-protection-ppe.htm

This very detailed PPE guidance from the CDC for all humans that come into contact with any farm animal is shocking.

However, it was released Friday afternoon so they be hoping that it doesn’t get any news coverage. I wondering if this is more of a CYA than an actual public health issue since we only have one human case and it was mild.

[Anonymous]

I found this 2023 article from Science interesting - kind of a virus mutation checklist for those monitoring:

https://www.science.org/content/article/bad-worse-avian-flu-must-change-trigger-human-pandemic

My take is that normally the risk for a mutation to more readily infect humans is low, the fact that it’s so widespread across multiple species worldwide is what’s increasing the risk right now. It’s happening on every continent.

[Anonymous]

We just switched our house to dairy-free this weekend. (Using ultra pasteurized milk for our preschooler.)

The fact that the FDA/USDA found virus particles in store-bought milk and can’t say for certain if current standards kill the virus is concerning. It is theoretically possible that the fat in cream, whole and even 2% milk might help the virus survive the pasteurization process. This could **potentially** leave the virus active even after standard safety measures. It’s unlikely, but we are being cautious and it’s an easy switch.

This situation really underscores how broken our food safety practices are in the US and that a reevaluation of pasteurization standards needs to happen ASAP. Infant formula safety needs to priority!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just switched our house to dairy-free this weekend. (Using ultra pasteurized milk for our preschooler.)

The fact that the FDA/USDA found virus particles in store-bought milk and can’t say for certain if current standards kill the virus is concerning. It is theoretically possible that the fat in cream, whole and even 2% milk might help the virus survive the pasteurization process. This could **potentially** leave the virus active even after standard safety measures. It’s unlikely, but we are being cautious and it’s an easy switch.

This situation really underscores how broken our food safety practices are in the US and that a reevaluation of pasteurization standards needs to happen ASAP. Infant formula safety needs to priority!

It must be exhausting to be you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And if you really want to be a drain on society into your 60s, 70s, and beyond, then I suppose that's your right. But don't expect everyone else to go out of their way to help you survive long enough to do that.

I volunteer with older people who contribute more to their communities and society as a whole than your nasty self ever will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you really want to be a drain on society into your 60s, 70s, and beyond, then I suppose that's your right. But don't expect everyone else to go out of their way to help you survive long enough to do that.

I volunteer with older people who contribute more to their communities and society as a whole than your nasty self ever will.

Undoubtedly false. The fact that you're volunteering with them is pretty clear evidence of that.

Time for spring cleaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/h5/worker-protection-ppe.htm

This very detailed PPE guidance from the CDC for all humans that come into contact with any farm animal is shocking.

However, it was released Friday afternoon so they be hoping that it doesn’t get any news coverage. I wondering if this is more of a CYA than an actual public health issue since we only have one human case and it was mild.

How interesting. Suddenly, the CDC knows to provide PPE guidance for a novel respiratory virus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found this 2023 article from Science interesting - kind of a virus mutation checklist for those monitoring:

https://www.science.org/content/article/bad-worse-avian-flu-must-change-trigger-human-pandemic

My take is that normally the risk for a mutation to more readily infect humans is low, the fact that it’s so widespread across multiple species worldwide is what’s increasing the risk right now. It’s happening on every continent.

USDA raised the alarm today that multiple cats on commercial dairy farms have tested positive, developed neurologic symptoms (seizures) and died.

So, in the past month in the United States, we have had cats, cows, chickens, wild foxes, skunks and one human all test positive for with HPAI A(H5N1)—aka, H5N1 bird flu.

This is now very likely to become a cross-mammal virus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found this 2023 article from Science interesting - kind of a virus mutation checklist for those monitoring:

https://www.science.org/content/article/bad-worse-avian-flu-must-change-trigger-human-pandemic

My take is that normally the risk for a mutation to more readily infect humans is low, the fact that it’s so widespread across multiple species worldwide is what’s increasing the risk right now. It’s happening on every continent.

USDA raised the alarm today that multiple cats on commercial dairy farms have tested positive, developed neurologic symptoms (seizures) and died.

So, in the past month in the United States, we have had cats, cows, chickens, wild foxes, skunks and one human all test positive for with HPAI A(H5N1)—aka, H5N1 bird flu.

This is now very likely to become a cross-mammal virus.

Not cats! Those are the only friends some covidians have left!