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Anonymous wrote:At least Arlington has one or two standout ECNL teams on the girls side.

True test will come during the playoffs.

The true test is college commits. Every girl on the oldest Arlington Team is committed. That is what ECNL is about. Not playoffs.

Mediocre Arlington at it again, but this mom is right it’s about playing mediocre soccer at the ncaa level. Congrats ECNL!

All joking aside -- what if it is? What if that is what it all is about? Playing soccer -- helping get into a better school than you otherwise would have, maybe for money in D1, and go to college and live your life. What is that was the end game and no one cared if others though mediocre. Yale plays mediocre football at best. Most of that team end up as doctors, lawyers, bankers, and executives later in life. Do you think they cared that someone else thought they played mediocre football? Not for one second.

If that is the attitude about futbol, then just go to bleeping college - in this area most people paying and playing club have the money for college - and leave futbol to the futbolistas! Our game is not some vehicle for upper middle class white kids to bridge into the 1%…

This is an interesting debate. As a middle-class family in the area in ECNL, we do not have the money saved for college. Be it, a college soccer scholarship for most is probably only 25% to 50%. We push academics first with the hopes for both academic and sports scholarships.

While we spend a lot on Club Soccer, the benefits of the cost are worth it. Most importantly our children stay busy all of the time and are less likely to get caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc. Second is the life skill of learning how to work with a team, being a leader, following direction, staying healthy and many other reasons. If it wasn't soccer, it would be gymnastics, softball, lacrosse, basketball, or pick your poison.

If you had saved all the money you spent on club soccer over the years, you would have decent college savings.

Yes but they would have been "caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc" Apparently it's a choice between soccer and a life of crime.

Straight outta Clemyjontri

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

I agree this setup fails. Fairfax County is too big not to have a team though. I think the best scenario long term is actually just to have one ECNL club in the county which operates completely independently of any feeder club. Feeder clubs don't matter anyway. It's all about proximity. Just let FXU have its own staff and run its own club. All local clubs will be default partners by virtue of proximity and then VYS and MYS and BRYC can return to their happy places of managing their own rec and lower level travel programs without having to deal with each other.

On the boys side, in NOVA, ECNL will be a bit player or a memory in 5 years. These clubs need to see the writing on the wall and make big, bold moves or go back to being community-centered clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

BRYC should get ZERO coaching slots. Who are their coaching prospects? TD’s son and parent coach? VYS and McLean should agree to split, like 5-1 or 4-2 in McLean’s favor on the girls side and vice versa on the boys for VYS. Get it done.

Another clown, its a three way powershare, get throuhg your skull, McLean is stuck with Brave until the next collapse or merger

You are not understanding. Instead of BRAVE being 2/3rds of the vote, VYS should team with McLean to be the 2/3rds and give BRYC jacks—-…which is what BRYC deserves at this point. BRYC can’t even field RL teams, they are completely irrelevant. Giving them anything just assures a next collapse will happen.

After all of MYS’s dysfunction is now so apparent? No way. VYS and BYRC need to step up to instill a better culture (more familiar to the BRAVE community) in FVU. A healthy injection of good organization, humility, respect and kindness would be a start.

That's hilarious! My kids have played for BRYC (back when it had ECNL) and MYS and to say that BRYC will instill a better culture and inject good organization, etc is such a joke. They are one of the most disorganized clubs out there with terrible team cultures. McLean is far from perfect but better by far than BRYC in every respect.

Really? Hard to see that when all that is coming across now is lots of MYS whining and entrenched chaos.
Also, the pp referenced VYS + BRYC as in BRAVE.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

BRYC should get ZERO coaching slots. Who are their coaching prospects? TD’s son and parent coach? VYS and McLean should agree to split, like 5-1 or 4-2 in McLean’s favor on the girls side and vice versa on the boys for VYS. Get it done.

Another clown, its a three way powershare, get throuhg your skull, McLean is stuck with Brave until the next collapse or merger

You are not understanding. Instead of BRAVE being 2/3rds of the vote, VYS should team with McLean to be the 2/3rds and give BRYC jacks—-…which is what BRYC deserves at this point. BRYC can’t even field RL teams, they are completely irrelevant. Giving them anything just assures a next collapse will happen.

And you are not understanding that 2/3 of the vote doesn't matter. Every vote needs to be unanimous to do anything.

2/3 of the vote matters. This eliminates McLean politics. If VYS and BRYC come to a decision on something and McLean doesn’t budge, don’t worry ECNL will step in lol….McLean wants no parts of this

If ECNL has to continue to put fires out in McLean then one day McLean will cease to exist. One year from now we could be attending a ribbon cutting ceremony at what was once called Lewinsville Park.

Drop the arrogant act and let the entire Union work like it should and this could be a really awesome thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Shhhh. We don't talk about that here.

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Anonymous wrote:At least Arlington has one or two standout ECNL teams on the girls side.

True test will come during the playoffs.

The true test is college commits. Every girl on the oldest Arlington Team is committed. That is what ECNL is about. Not playoffs.

Mediocre Arlington at it again, but this mom is right it’s about playing mediocre soccer at the ncaa level. Congrats ECNL!

All joking aside -- what if it is? What if that is what it all is about? Playing soccer -- helping get into a better school than you otherwise would have, maybe for money in D1, and go to college and live your life. What is that was the end game and no one cared if others though mediocre. Yale plays mediocre football at best. Most of that team end up as doctors, lawyers, bankers, and executives later in life. Do you think they cared that someone else thought they played mediocre football? Not for one second.

If that is the attitude about futbol, then just go to bleeping college - in this area most people paying and playing club have the money for college - and leave futbol to the futbolistas! Our game is not some vehicle for upper middle class white kids to bridge into the 1%…

This is an interesting debate. As a middle-class family in the area in ECNL, we do not have the money saved for college. Be it, a college soccer scholarship for most is probably only 25% to 50%. We push academics first with the hopes for both academic and sports scholarships.

While we spend a lot on Club Soccer, the benefits of the cost are worth it. Most importantly our children stay busy all of the time and are less likely to get caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc. Second is the life skill of learning how to work with a team, being a leader, following direction, staying healthy and many other reasons. If it wasn't soccer, it would be gymnastics, softball, lacrosse, basketball, or pick your poison.

If you had saved all the money you spent on club soccer over the years, you would have decent college savings.

Yes but they would have been "caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc" Apparently it's a choice between soccer and a life of crime.

Straight outta Clemyjontri

I lol’d.

Thank you, thank you very much. I’m here all week or until the disenfranchised McBrave families get some levity

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

THIS.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

I agree this setup fails. Fairfax County is too big not to have a team though. I think the best scenario long term is actually just to have one ECNL club in the county which operates completely independently of any feeder club. Feeder clubs don't matter anyway. It's all about proximity. Just let FXU have its own staff and run its own club. All local clubs will be default partners by virtue of proximity and then VYS and MYS and BRYC can return to their happy places of managing their own rec and lower level travel programs without having to deal with each other.

On the boys side, in NOVA, ECNL will be a bit player or a memory in 5 years. These clubs need to see the writing on the wall and make big, bold moves or go back to being community-centered clubs.

MLS next has not taken the ECNL approach to girls. They don't let everyone in. Some of the clubs they let in, i question, but it's not like a lot of teams have MLS next. So if it stays this way, then ECNL will always exist for boys. Arlington and Pipeline both play ECNL and can compete with the MLS next teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

BRAVE has only operated for 18months.
McLean ECNL has been around for how long? And yet couldn’t hold it together and now facing the boot from ECNL.

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Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

BRAVE has only operated for 18months.
McLean ECNL has been around for how long? And yet couldn’t hold it together and now facing the boot from ECNL.

BRYC had ECNL before Brave. It's not like Brave was this brand new set up because of the addition of little VYS.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

BRAVE has only operated for 18months.
McLean ECNL has been around for how long? And yet couldn’t hold it together and now facing the boot from ECNL.

BRYC had ECNL before Brave. It's not like Brave was this brand new set up because of the addition of little VYS.

But it actually is. BRAVE is a new club with different leadership, organization and culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

BRAVE has only operated for 18months.
McLean ECNL has been around for how long? And yet couldn’t hold it together and now facing the boot from ECNL.

BRYC had ECNL before Brave. It's not like Brave was this brand new set up because of the addition of little VYS.

Let's not forget what happened with BRYC ECNL and think that was any better. A local known Scottish family tore that thing down.

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Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

What does it matter at this point? It’s been decided by ECNL, which was communicated. Stop deflecting. VYS and BRYC are ready to move forward. MYS’s internal chaos is holding this up.

Here is how this plays out. People leave McLean because VYS and BRYC suck. The new Union will struggle and then ECNL will just pull the plug entirely.

This will be because of two little community rec clubs getting in over their head and running another club into the ground.

Arlington, NVA, VDA all get stronger while VYS and kills a good brand in two shor years they end up playing in NCSL again.

Conveniently left out the part where ECNL said that McLean sucked too 😂

Their college placement was fine and ECNL competition had parity across the girls conferences. BRAVE certainly sucked at all aspects from college placement to competition.

THIS.

A little compromise here?

How about VYS and BRYC come together to teach McLean the ins and outs of u8-u12 development. McLean’s track record suggests they don’t want this but they certainly needs this.

In exchange, McLean teaches those clubs a thing or two about college placement. McLean also shows VYS and BRYC how to recruit kids developed elsewhere and claim as their own. True art.

All decisions have to be unanimous.