the case for not divorcing

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And to clarify, my kids have not been exposed to any of this in divorce one likely won’t be (5 years divorced and counting)

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Anonymous wrote:I would never want my kids around boyfriends/gfs/step parents. Ever.

Agree. And been divorced 5 years!

You’re both clearly such amazing people. Much, much better than what OP describes. Kudos 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people don't realize that there will be rough years and rough periods of time. As a kid and teen I was always sad my parents didn't have date nights and didn't hold hands, etc. As an adult I'm thrilled that they're married. They're such wonderful grandparents together and they get 2x the grandparent time that they'd get if they were divorced. They take my kids to dinner and on outings constantly which would be too much for just one of them to do. Now that they're retired, they enjoy spending time together so much more.

And most importantly to me, they help each other through health crises and accompany each other to doctor's appts. They manage their house together too.

+100

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So when SHOULD you get divorced? Never? Never any reason ever?

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t you drive her OP?

Personally I think remarrying and having babies when you have young kids is pretty tacky so I’m with you there.

Same. So trashy.

Quick, everyone stop living your lives because two losers on DCUM think it's "tacky and trashy."

BTW tacky and trashy are words you use when you're uneducated and haven't read enough to learn other, more descriptive words.

That’s not it. I have many other words. But, that is not how words work. Tacky and trashy are absolutely perfect here so one need not expand. The most educated people know that words should be precise.

One could say selfish, unfair, shortsighted, small, limited, stifling, sad. All would work.

And don’t forget “stupid”

I think it's stupid and limited and small to stay in a situation that is horrible for your mental and physical health under the guise that you're some kind of a martyr for your kids. If you want to stay married, by all means, have at it. To call the choices of other people all the names you listed when you have absolutely no idea what they are going through is the epitome of trashy and tacky.

Live your life. It’s all about you and your happiness. Kids be damned. You’re #1.

Like I said, fakey fake martyrdom is so much more noble. You do you.

NP
wtf is fakey fake martyrdom?

Staying married to a cereal cheater "for kid's sake" for example. Staying married to an alcoholic or a gambler, because you don't want kids to be from "a broken home." Your home is already broken, dear. You just don't have the guts to leave. That's the only difference.

Maybe your home but not mine. And it doesn't take guts to leave it takes guts to stay, ride the roller coaster, and work on issues. Leaving is the easy gutless thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t you drive her OP?

Personally I think remarrying and having babies when you have young kids is pretty tacky so I’m with you there.

Same. So trashy.

Quick, everyone stop living your lives because two losers on DCUM think it's "tacky and trashy."

BTW tacky and trashy are words you use when you're uneducated and haven't read enough to learn other, more descriptive words.

That’s not it. I have many other words. But, that is not how words work. Tacky and trashy are absolutely perfect here so one need not expand. The most educated people know that words should be precise.

One could say selfish, unfair, shortsighted, small, limited, stifling, sad. All would work.

And don’t forget “stupid”

I think it's stupid and limited and small to stay in a situation that is horrible for your mental and physical health under the guise that you're some kind of a martyr for your kids. If you want to stay married, by all means, have at it. To call the choices of other people all the names you listed when you have absolutely no idea what they are going through is the epitome of trashy and tacky.

Live your life. It’s all about you and your happiness. Kids be damned. You’re #1.

Like I said, fakey fake martyrdom is so much more noble. You do you.

NP
wtf is fakey fake martyrdom?

Staying married to a cereal cheater "for kid's sake" for example. Staying married to an alcoholic or a gambler, because you don't want kids to be from "a broken home." Your home is already broken, dear. You just don't have the guts to leave. That's the only difference.

Maybe your home but not mine. And it doesn't take guts to leave it takes guts to stay, ride the roller coaster, and work on issues. Leaving is the easy gutless thing to do.

No in some cases it truly takes guts to leave. It’s like you’ve never heard of abuse. Are you dumb?

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t you drive her OP?

Personally I think remarrying and having babies when you have young kids is pretty tacky so I’m with you there.

Same. So trashy.

Quick, everyone stop living your lives because two losers on DCUM think it's "tacky and trashy."

BTW tacky and trashy are words you use when you're uneducated and haven't read enough to learn other, more descriptive words.

That’s not it. I have many other words. But, that is not how words work. Tacky and trashy are absolutely perfect here so one need not expand. The most educated people know that words should be precise.

One could say selfish, unfair, shortsighted, small, limited, stifling, sad. All would work.

And don’t forget “stupid”

I think it's stupid and limited and small to stay in a situation that is horrible for your mental and physical health under the guise that you're some kind of a martyr for your kids. If you want to stay married, by all means, have at it. To call the choices of other people all the names you listed when you have absolutely no idea what they are going through is the epitome of trashy and tacky.

Live your life. It’s all about you and your happiness. Kids be damned. You’re #1.

Like I said, fakey fake martyrdom is so much more noble. You do you.

NP
wtf is fakey fake martyrdom?

Staying married to a cereal cheater "for kid's sake" for example. Staying married to an alcoholic or a gambler, because you don't want kids to be from "a broken home." Your home is already broken, dear. You just don't have the guts to leave. That's the only difference.

Maybe your home but not mine. And it doesn't take guts to leave it takes guts to stay, ride the roller coaster, and work on issues. Leaving is the easy gutless thing to do.

What a privileged and dumb thing to say. Would you say the same to a woman who is being physically abused? How about the one whose husband isolates her from friends and family so he can control her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if her parents remained married she might have to miss a playdate sometimes and yes even for a younger sibling

The "save the marriage" baby. An attempt to try to salvage the family.

[Anonymous]

I'm staying and I have no idea if it's the right choice or not. I don't know how everyone's so sure either way. I had one couple's therapist who thought we were great together and one was giving me domestic abuse hotlines. For right now I'm getting as much space as I can while still living together, and we'll see how it goes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t you drive her OP?

Personally I think remarrying and having babies when you have young kids is pretty tacky so I’m with you there.

Same. So trashy.

Quick, everyone stop living your lives because two losers on DCUM think it's "tacky and trashy."

BTW tacky and trashy are words you use when you're uneducated and haven't read enough to learn other, more descriptive words.

That’s not it. I have many other words. But, that is not how words work. Tacky and trashy are absolutely perfect here so one need not expand. The most educated people know that words should be precise.

One could say selfish, unfair, shortsighted, small, limited, stifling, sad. All would work.

And don’t forget “stupid”

I think it's stupid and limited and small to stay in a situation that is horrible for your mental and physical health under the guise that you're some kind of a martyr for your kids. If you want to stay married, by all means, have at it. To call the choices of other people all the names you listed when you have absolutely no idea what they are going through is the epitome of trashy and tacky.

Live your life. It’s all about you and your happiness. Kids be damned. You’re #1.

Like I said, fakey fake martyrdom is so much more noble. You do you.

NP
wtf is fakey fake martyrdom?

Staying married to a cereal cheater "for kid's sake" for example. Staying married to an alcoholic or a gambler, because you don't want kids to be from "a broken home." Your home is already broken, dear. You just don't have the guts to leave. That's the only difference.

Maybe your home but not mine. And it doesn't take guts to leave it takes guts to stay, ride the roller coaster, and work on issues. Leaving is the easy gutless thing to do.

Staying is easy. Leaving is hard. Cowards stay. And women who can’t support themselves. Many times, issues can’t be “worked out.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t you drive her OP?

Personally I think remarrying and having babies when you have young kids is pretty tacky so I’m with you there.

Same. So trashy.

Quick, everyone stop living your lives because two losers on DCUM think it's "tacky and trashy."

BTW tacky and trashy are words you use when you're uneducated and haven't read enough to learn other, more descriptive words.

That’s not it. I have many other words. But, that is not how words work. Tacky and trashy are absolutely perfect here so one need not expand. The most educated people know that words should be precise.

One could say selfish, unfair, shortsighted, small, limited, stifling, sad. All would work.

And don’t forget “stupid”

I think it's stupid and limited and small to stay in a situation that is horrible for your mental and physical health under the guise that you're some kind of a martyr for your kids. If you want to stay married, by all means, have at it. To call the choices of other people all the names you listed when you have absolutely no idea what they are going through is the epitome of trashy and tacky.

Live your life. It’s all about you and your happiness. Kids be damned. You’re #1.

Like I said, fakey fake martyrdom is so much more noble. You do you.

NP
wtf is fakey fake martyrdom?

Staying married to a cereal cheater "for kid's sake" for example. Staying married to an alcoholic or a gambler, because you don't want kids to be from "a broken home." Your home is already broken, dear. You just don't have the guts to leave. That's the only difference.

Maybe your home but not mine. And it doesn't take guts to leave it takes guts to stay, ride the roller coaster, and work on issues. Leaving is the easy gutless thing to do.

What a privileged and dumb thing to say. Would you say the same to a woman who is being physically abused? How about the one whose husband isolates her from friends and family so he can control her?

+1 and financial abuse, and emotional abuse and public disrespect, and marital rape or reproductive coercion

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Anonymous wrote:So when SHOULD you get divorced? Never? Never any reason ever?

NP but based on OP's argument, I think they are basically saying you should avoid divorce when kids are young enough for it to impact their day to day.

I would also assume that in cases of abuse, the inconvenience of divorce would be worth not modeling an abusive relationship.

This is basically an argument for people in non-abusive relationships to tough it out for the kids even if bored, not having sex, growing apart, etc. And I think it's a good argument. Everyone makes sacrifices for their kids (or should).

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Don’t model for your children things you don’t expect them to tolerate.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t model for your children things you don’t expect them to tolerate.

Yes, but the point here is that some of the reasons people get divorced are actually things we DO expect kids to tolerate. Boredom is part of life. Long-term relationships with anyone require dealing with annoyances, reconciling different goals and needs, working through conflicts to remember what you liked about them in the first place.

Abuse is a hard line for me, and not just physical abuse-- verbal or emotional abuse, or abusive patterns of gaslighting and undermining that really mess with a person psychologically. You don't want to expose your kid to any of that.

But often people get divorced because they "grew apart" or "want different things" or one or both think they *might* be happier with someone else. And if you don't have kids or your kids are grown? Why not, to for it. But those are really not good reasons to throw out a family and force children into joint custody arrangements. Divorce also has an annoying ability to create continual conflict in families, because the second you split, the parents are now in competition with each other for time with kids, time without kids, resources, etc.

If there is not abuse, be a freaking grown up and figure out how to do what is best for the kids. Most divorced compromise the kids' well being. I'll allow that some small percent manage a cordial divorce with minimal impact on kids (live near each other, co-parent well, no custody or support arguments). Most don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t you drive her OP?

Personally I think remarrying and having babies when you have young kids is pretty tacky so I’m with you there.

Same. So trashy.

Quick, everyone stop living your lives because two losers on DCUM think it's "tacky and trashy."

BTW tacky and trashy are words you use when you're uneducated and haven't read enough to learn other, more descriptive words.

That’s not it. I have many other words. But, that is not how words work. Tacky and trashy are absolutely perfect here so one need not expand. The most educated people know that words should be precise.

One could say selfish, unfair, shortsighted, small, limited, stifling, sad. All would work.

And don’t forget “stupid”

I think it's stupid and limited and small to stay in a situation that is horrible for your mental and physical health under the guise that you're some kind of a martyr for your kids. If you want to stay married, by all means, have at it. To call the choices of other people all the names you listed when you have absolutely no idea what they are going through is the epitome of trashy and tacky.

Live your life. It’s all about you and your happiness. Kids be damned. You’re #1.

Like I said, fakey fake martyrdom is so much more noble. You do you.

NP
wtf is fakey fake martyrdom?

Staying married to a cereal cheater "for kid's sake" for example. Staying married to an alcoholic or a gambler, because you don't want kids to be from "a broken home." Your home is already broken, dear. You just don't have the guts to leave. That's the only difference.

Maybe your home but not mine. And it doesn't take guts to leave it takes guts to stay, ride the roller coaster, and work on issues. Leaving is the easy gutless thing to do.

Staying is easy. Leaving is hard. Cowards stay. And women who can’t support themselves. Many times, issues can’t be “worked out.”

Stay or go. It's all hard. marriage is just plain hard. Just be present if you are staying.You are staying right now but you can go at any time.