Please Tell Me Who Is Right Here.....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You consented by NOT saying "I don't consent to the audio." You said it made you uncomfortable because of singing, they said no, and you said .... nothing after that. Thus, you consented. I'm sorry.

But if it helps at all, they're not judging your singing, or showing it to others or laughing at you for it or anything. They're just making sure you aren't cursing out their kids while smiling, aren't saying it's a good thing they're pretty because they sure are stupid, or bashing the parents to the kids.

I am in CA, have cameras and am not spending all day watching the nanny. I don't have time. I watched more when my babies were very young, and check in when they're sick, or they're going through a difficult phase.

People are responding that consent was given, but they are only speaking of their opinion .
Again, if a woman goes up to a guy’s room, kisses him and even has foreplay, if he then rapes her when she didn’t want it....
Does this mean she gave consent by only saying no at the very last second??

If a Nanny is told that she is being recorded via audio and if she continues after that, then how can consent be proven in a court of law??
It cannot because legally she never gave consent to be recorded.



If anyone can prove me wrong, I will eat crow.



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And buy you a steak for dinner too.

Your comparison makes no sense.

If I was going to make a comparison with a sexual situation, it would be this.

A woman goes to a man's house, engages in foreplay, and then states that she's going to change, goes into the bathroom, comes out naked, and then sues
him for being a peeping Tom, because he saw her naked.

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Of course it wouldn't stand in court. By coming into the room naked, when she knew he was there, she consented to him seeing her naked. If he'd been hiding in her closet, it would be different, of course. But not if he was out in the open and there when she went into the room.

Similarly, a woman who enters a room where she's clearly been told that there's audio recording, is consenting to being audio recorded.

People continue to claim that consent is given automatically but that is not how consent operates.
Consent must be given in writing or on a recording.
That way no one can later claim the family to be secretly recording audio since they will have PROOF of consent.
Without proving the other party consented needs to be shown or the homeowners can be sued in court for not following the law.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is so typical and there is audio, how do you make personal calls without the Parents hearing your end of the conversation? Say you have to make a Drs appt and when you call and they say what do you need to be seen for, the parents will hear. That’s technically a HIPAA violation.

You talking about your own private health information in a public space/ workplace where others may hear is absolutely not a HIPAA violation wow

So a nanny should have no ability to make a personal call to her physician's office??

A nanny can do the same thing as an office worker here. Office workers can usually make personal calls at work but are limited in how much privacy they can get, as few people get fully enclosed private offices. You can step into a quieter space (like an empty corridor or conference room) but there is always a chance someone may come in. Or you just accept that your cubicle neighbor will hear you have an appt for Tuesday 9am. A nanny could step into a place where there aren’t cameras in the house (say, bathroom, guest bedroom), or in the backyard/playground while watching the kids play. But generally you aren’t discussing a ton of private medical info on the phone anyway.

Please tell me which office doesn't allow you (as a matter of policy) to step out for a 30 or 60 minute lunch break?

I did once have a job with a parent at home that did allow me to take an hour personal lunch break every day, but that sort of situation is very rare for nannies.

Crickets, of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such nonsense.

Of course a nanny can make a doctor/dentist appointment on her phone - best if when the kids are sleeping but acceptable other times as well. I think everyone knows the difference between calling the dentist's office and checking your instagram! The problem is nannies on their phones texting and checking social media while they should be working - and you all know it.

And as a nanny, I have been able to make all my appointments and return business calls when my charges are sleeping.

I have to use non-nap periods, but I always have had st least one child who was past napping. It’s completely possible to make appointments from the bathroom, playground, back yard, etc.

You do it quickly and there is no problem. No employer would have an issue with the quick appointment call.

We ALL know the phone excesses we are talking about. And they are unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Don't be silly, pp. No one here is talking about what any particular employer might have a problem with. The problem is if a nanny can't make a personal call (to her physician's office, for example) during the course of her 10-12 hour day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this is so typical and there is audio, how do you make personal calls without the Parents hearing your end of the conversation? Say you have to make a Drs appt and when you call and they say what do you need to be seen for, the parents will hear. That’s technically a HIPAA violation.

You talking about your own private health information in a public space/ workplace where others may hear is absolutely not a HIPAA violation wow

So a nanny should have no ability to make a personal call to her physician's office??

A nanny can do the same thing as an office worker here. Office workers can usually make personal calls at work but are limited in how much privacy they can get, as few people get fully enclosed private offices. You can step into a quieter space (like an empty corridor or conference room) but there is always a chance someone may come in. Or you just accept that your cubicle neighbor will hear you have an appt for Tuesday 9am. A nanny could step into a place where there aren’t cameras in the house (say, bathroom, guest bedroom), or in the backyard/playground while watching the kids play. But generally you aren’t discussing a ton of private medical info on the phone anyway.

Please tell me which office doesn't allow you (as a matter of policy) to step out for a 30 or 60 minute lunch break?

I did once have a job with a parent at home that did allow me to take an hour personal lunch break every day, but that sort of situation is very rare for nannies.

Crickets, of course.

Actually, I am salaried and expected to manage my own time, but realistically meetings regularly book up between 10am-3pm period and there is no time to step out for lunch. I also travel for work so there are many weeks where Monday to Thursday I am with my coworkers from 8am-9pm every day (as we share commutes and mealtimes). Some people at my company, if on a hectic project, are stuck in the same room with their bosses and coworkers until midnight on a regular basis. We can step into a different room or something to make personal calls if needed, though

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this is so typical and there is audio, how do you make personal calls without the Parents hearing your end of the conversation? Say you have to make a Drs appt and when you call and they say what do you need to be seen for, the parents will hear. That’s technically a HIPAA violation.

You talking about your own private health information in a public space/ workplace where others may hear is absolutely not a HIPAA violation wow

So a nanny should have no ability to make a personal call to her physician's office??

A nanny can do the same thing as an office worker here. Office workers can usually make personal calls at work but are limited in how much privacy they can get, as few people get fully enclosed private offices. You can step into a quieter space (like an empty corridor or conference room) but there is always a chance someone may come in. Or you just accept that your cubicle neighbor will hear you have an appt for Tuesday 9am. A nanny could step into a place where there aren’t cameras in the house (say, bathroom, guest bedroom), or in the backyard/playground while watching the kids play. But generally you aren’t discussing a ton of private medical info on the phone anyway.

Please tell me which office doesn't allow you (as a matter of policy) to step out for a 30 or 60 minute lunch break?

I did once have a job with a parent at home that did allow me to take an hour personal lunch break every day, but that sort of situation is very rare for nannies.

Crickets, of course.

Actually, I am salaried and expected to manage my own time, but realistically meetings regularly book up between 10am-3pm period and there is no time to step out for lunch. I also travel for work so there are many weeks where Monday to Thursday I am with my coworkers from 8am-9pm every day (as we share commutes and mealtimes). Some people at my company, if on a hectic project, are stuck in the same room with their bosses and coworkers until midnight on a regular basis. We can step into a different room or something to make personal calls if needed, though

As said, no office denies you the option of a personal 30 or 60 minute lunch break, as a matter of policy.

Employers may NOT wire spy cameras all over the nannies work space without first asking the nanny for permission. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this is so typical and there is audio, how do you make personal calls without the Parents hearing your end of the conversation? Say you have to make a Drs appt and when you call and they say what do you need to be seen for, the parents will hear. That’s technically a HIPAA violation.

You talking about your own private health information in a public space/ workplace where others may hear is absolutely not a HIPAA violation wow

So a nanny should have no ability to make a personal call to her physician's office??

A nanny can do the same thing as an office worker here. Office workers can usually make personal calls at work but are limited in how much privacy they can get, as few people get fully enclosed private offices. You can step into a quieter space (like an empty corridor or conference room) but there is always a chance someone may come in. Or you just accept that your cubicle neighbor will hear you have an appt for Tuesday 9am. A nanny could step into a place where there aren’t cameras in the house (say, bathroom, guest bedroom), or in the backyard/playground while watching the kids play. But generally you aren’t discussing a ton of private medical info on the phone anyway.

Please tell me which office doesn't allow you (as a matter of policy) to step out for a 30 or 60 minute lunch break?

I did once have a job with a parent at home that did allow me to take an hour personal lunch break every day, but that sort of situation is very rare for nannies.

Crickets, of course.

Actually, I am salaried and expected to manage my own time, but realistically meetings regularly book up between 10am-3pm period and there is no time to step out for lunch. I also travel for work so there are many weeks where Monday to Thursday I am with my coworkers from 8am-9pm every day (as we share commutes and mealtimes). Some people at my company, if on a hectic project, are stuck in the same room with their bosses and coworkers until midnight on a regular basis. We can step into a different room or something to make personal calls if needed, though

As said, no office denies you the option of a personal 30 or 60 minute lunch break, as a matter of policy.

Employers may NOT wire spy cameras all over the nannies work space without first asking the nanny for permission. Period.

Wrong. It's legal in all 50 states to record video without permission. In fact many offices have video recording their employees as well.

As to the original question. OP, you can't really do anything about it. I worked in a house for almost a year in California before finding out the cameras were recording sound. The laws currently on the books were created to protect against wiretapping and are out of date regarding all the technology we have now, especially when cameras are part of someone's home security system.

[Anonymous]

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Since you were recorded (audio) w/out knowing, your employers not only broke the law....
But they violated your privacy.

I would have sued them.
You would have had a strong case to do so too.

[Anonymous]

OMG, this thread is over!! Let it die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:02:57-
Since you were recorded (audio) w/out knowing, your employers not only broke the law....
But they violated your privacy.

I would have sued them.
You would have had a strong case to do so too.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG, this thread is over!! Let it die.

Do you have anger issues??!
If this thread truly bothers you, then stop clicking on it.
Period.

It only has four pages.
I have seen threads with 16-17 pages.

Please be nicer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, this thread is over!! Let it die.

Do you have anger issues??!
If this thread truly bothers you, then stop clicking on it.
Period.

It only has four pages.
I have seen threads with 16-17 pages.

Please be nicer.

No. Let this inane thread die.