Employing as a Fed

Yes. If paying legally to benefit Nanny doesn't matter, and you don't care about childcare tax credits, the threat of job loss is a good reason to pay legally.

report

04/28/2016 22:02

Subject: Re:Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:So what's the risk?

There is no risk. Follow don't ask, don't tell.

report

04/28/2016 22:47

Subject: Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Anyone who will,not pay "on the books" is cheating you. Do not work for these people because they are no better than crooks.

report

04/29/2016 00:14

Subject: Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who will,not pay "on the books" is cheating you. Do not work for these people because they are no better than crooks.

HAHA paying on the books means you get less moeny LOL

report

04/29/2016 12:21

Subject: Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal employees must hire "on the book", right? Particularly if they will hold a security clearance?

You don't have to. There no rule about how to pay your nanny.

Of course there is. Those rules are called "laws" and they apply to everyone, whether they work for the federal government or private employers.

report

04/29/2016 13:02

Subject: Re:Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

In my (limited) experience being honest about this and paying the taxes is in your best interest if you want to obtain or retain a security clearance. My DH had a staff member being sponsored for clearance, and the issue came up when Treasury did the neighborhood canvas - the neighbors didn't mean to rat them out I am sure but when asked about household members and regular visitors, the babysitter (nanny) came up. Turns out she was both undocumented and off the books. The answers given on the questionnaire were not truthful, and the application was denied. The employee not only didn't get clearance, he lost his job because it was a job requirement.

https://forum.federalsoup.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33115#post353988

I am considering applying to be a FSO at DOS in the next year or so. My spouse and I just had our first child and we are hiring a nanny for when mom goes back to work. Legally, we can only hire someone who is authorized to work in the US, have to complete an I-9 form, and pay both state and federal taxes. I don't have a problem paying the taxes, since its a good thing for the worker in the end if they ever apply for unemployment or social security, but we have been unable to find anyone who is (a) legally authorized to work in the US and (b) not willing to be paid in cash. We would also like a bi-lingual nanny, and 99% of them are undocumented.

I read in the below NYT article that 95% of people don't pay these taxes, so my question is this: will not paying this tax come up in an SSBI investigation? I am aware the SSBI form asks if you have ever failed to pay any taxes when due, but I think this tax might be akin to the state sales taxes that no one pays on their online purchases (required but just not enforced).
(Gotta love the interpretation of "ever failed to pay any taxes when due!)

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/08-06997.h1.pdf

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/06-20084.h1.pdf

https://books.google.com/books?id=JQBvM7NceUoC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=security+clearance+nanny+tax&source=bl&ots=3ZK_nJhdrE&sig=0ECLU_cggxxQ5N_9lP22X7TPKCo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjao8ni-rPMAhUD9x4KHfI0BkE4ChDoAQg7MAI#v=onepage&q=security%20clearance%20nanny%20tax&f=false

report

04/29/2016 14:16

Subject: Re:Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:In my (limited) experience being honest about this and paying the taxes is in your best interest if you want to obtain or retain a security clearance. My DH had a staff member being sponsored for clearance, and the issue came up when Treasury did the neighborhood canvas - the neighbors didn't mean to rat them out I am sure but when asked about household members and regular visitors, the babysitter (nanny) came up. Turns out she was both undocumented and off the books. The answers given on the questionnaire were not truthful, and the application was denied. The employee not only didn't get clearance, he lost his job because it was a job requirement.

https://forum.federalsoup.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33115#post353988

I am considering applying to be a FSO at DOS in the next year or so. My spouse and I just had our first child and we are hiring a nanny for when mom goes back to work. Legally, we can only hire someone who is authorized to work in the US, have to complete an I-9 form, and pay both state and federal taxes. I don't have a problem paying the taxes, since its a good thing for the worker in the end if they ever apply for unemployment or social security, but we have been unable to find anyone who is (a) legally authorized to work in the US and (b) not willing to be paid in cash. We would also like a bi-lingual nanny, and 99% of them are undocumented.

I read in the below NYT article that 95% of people don't pay these taxes, so my question is this: will not paying this tax come up in an SSBI investigation? I am aware the SSBI form asks if you have ever failed to pay any taxes when due, but I think this tax might be akin to the state sales taxes that no one pays on their online purchases (required but just not enforced).
(Gotta love the interpretation of "ever failed to pay any taxes when due!)

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/08-06997.h1.pdf

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/06-20084.h1.pdf

https://books.google.com/books?id=JQBvM7NceUoC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=security+clearance+nanny+tax&source=bl&ots=3ZK_nJhdrE&sig=0ECLU_cggxxQ5N_9lP22X7TPKCo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjao8ni-rPMAhUD9x4KHfI0BkE4ChDoAQg7MAI#v=onepage&q=security%20clearance%20nanny%20tax&f=false

Np here. It's definitely possible to find someone who is legal and wants to be paid on the books. Just a matter of rate. If you pay $18 an hour they take home a little over $13 after state and fed taxes.

report

04/29/2016 21:01

Subject: Re:Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:In my (limited) experience being honest about this and paying the taxes is in your best interest if you want to obtain or retain a security clearance. My DH had a staff member being sponsored for clearance, and the issue came up when Treasury did the neighborhood canvas - the neighbors didn't mean to rat them out I am sure but when asked about household members and regular visitors, the babysitter (nanny) came up. Turns out she was both undocumented and off the books. The answers given on the questionnaire were not truthful, and the application was denied. The employee not only didn't get clearance, he lost his job because it was a job requirement.

https://forum.federalsoup.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33115#post353988

I am considering applying to be a FSO at DOS in the next year or so. My spouse and I just had our first child and we are hiring a nanny for when mom goes back to work. Legally, we can only hire someone who is authorized to work in the US, have to complete an I-9 form, and pay both state and federal taxes. I don't have a problem paying the taxes, since its a good thing for the worker in the end if they ever apply for unemployment or social security, but we have been unable to find anyone who is (a) legally authorized to work in the US and (b) not willing to be paid in cash. We would also like a bi-lingual nanny, and 99% of them are undocumented.

I read in the below NYT article that 95% of people don't pay these taxes, so my question is this: will not paying this tax come up in an SSBI investigation? I am aware the SSBI form asks if you have ever failed to pay any taxes when due, but I think this tax might be akin to the state sales taxes that no one pays on their online purchases (required but just not enforced).
(Gotta love the interpretation of "ever failed to pay any taxes when due!)

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/08-06997.h1.pdf

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/06-20084.h1.pdf

https://books.google.com/books?id=JQBvM7NceUoC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=security+clearance+nanny+tax&source=bl&ots=3ZK_nJhdrE&sig=0ECLU_cggxxQ5N_9lP22X7TPKCo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjao8ni-rPMAhUD9x4KHfI0BkE4ChDoAQg7MAI#v=onepage&q=security%20clearance%20nanny%20tax&f=false

I'm legally authorized, require taxes be done and am semi-fluent in Spanish. However, I just took a temp position, sorry, OP.

report

04/30/2016 12:12

Subject: Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

I'm surprised by this as I thought most adults preferred to be paid legally. How else can you buy things like a car or house!?! Maybe you are offering a wage that only brings in those candidates? Do you have an ad posted somewhere? Be sure to mention that you pay legally.

report

04/30/2016 13:16

Subject: Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous

Fed here. This may not help in your situation. But I use someone about 4 hours a week during spring and fall (2 hours after school the 2 days I don't telework, during the school year). I get a copy of their SS card and drivers license and have them fill out an I-9, to validate legally able to work in US, but don't need to worry about taxes, because the annual amount I pay is below a certain threshold. It's why you don't need to withhold for your HS date night babysitter. This may not help if you are looking for FT. But could be useful to know at some point.

report

05/01/2016 23:12

Subject: Employing as a Fed

quote

Anonymous