Nannies want to bring their kid to work

[Anonymous]

back to the original question. No. it never works out well. Your kid doesn't get proper supervision. nanny's kid is bat out of hell or brings in strep throat or lice (No stereotypes going on here - just the facts - any exposure to any kid means more germs). Same with housekeeper - brought her daughter one day. No work got done because we were all running after the toddler who was into everything. Stuff got broken, stolen. That didn't happen again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:back to the original question. No. it never works out well. Your kid doesn't get proper supervision. nanny's kid is bat out of hell or brings in strep throat or lice (No stereotypes going on here - just the facts - any exposure to any kid means more germs). Same with housekeeper - brought her daughter one day. No work got done because we were all running after the toddler who was into everything. Stuff got broken, stolen. That didn't happen again.

Okay, except you are stereotyping.

What you should say is, "In our experience, XYZ happened."

What is stereotyping is saying anything related to your experience but assuming it is always the same for everyone (i.e. "It never works")

Understand the difference?

[Anonymous]

Excellent post, 16:36. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One is asking for $15/hour the other is asking for $17.

Both of them have a child the same age as my oldest so it will be 3 kids in my house.

Obviously this is ridiculous but I'm wondering if I should let them know they're asking too much. Would you offer lesser money to them or just move on?

These rates may not be ridiculous for these nannies, even if they aren't going to work for you. Typically a NWOC offers a percentage decrease in what they'd otherwise be eligible to make, so if Nanny B normally makes $20-22/hr for 2 kids, dropping her rate to $17 is the level of savings you'd expect to see in a nanny bringing her own child. You can by all means say that this is more than you're comfortable paying for someone who's bringing their own child along, but please don't attempt to offer an objective analysis because you can't do that (and neither can we).

I think this is incorrect. A nanny making $20-22/hr for 2 kids would make that money in a nanny share, or alternatively (and less so), in a family with two kids. A nanny like that may very well charge $17/hr if looking after one kid. But in a scenario where that type of nanny wants $17/hr AND she wants to bring her own child works out to the nanny wanting to make a sole-child rate in a multiple-child environment. So I don't see how that makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think this is incorrect. A nanny making $20-22/hr for 2 kids would make that money in a nanny share, or alternatively (and less so), in a family with two kids. A nanny like that may very well charge $17/hr if looking after one kid. But in a scenario where that type of nanny wants $17/hr AND she wants to bring her own child works out to the nanny wanting to make a sole-child rate in a multiple-child environment. So I don't see how that makes sense.

Maybe I mis-typed or wasn't clear. I apologize.

I make $20/hr for one child, so if I were going to have a child I wanted to bring with me to work, I'd plan to charge $15-17/hr after having deducted 15-25% of my hourly pay for the privilege of bringing my child with me.

If nanny makes $22/hr for two children, and wanted to add her own (third one) on, I'd expect her to be able to charge $15-17/hr as well.

Or maybe I'm not understanding your post? Sorry!

[Anonymous]

How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?

Look, anyone can charge whatever they want. They will either eventually have an attractive offer within a "reasonable" time period, or not. Some may then choose to reconsider their fees, and some may decide to opt for something else altogether.

Stop trying to nail down your personal views on what every nanny is allowed to charge. You are just mad that some parents can afford higher priced nannies, and you can't or won't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?

NP here, but I think I can take a crack at this one.

PP was talking 15-25% off of her rate for one child. A share rate per family is normally half of the rate for two children /plus/ an extra 15-20% due to the fact its a share.

I think the PP's example only feels a little off because her one child rate is so far above average. (No judgement on whether its true or deserved, just that its above average). A more average one child, starting rate, of say 15-17$/hr might go up to $20-$22 per hour in a share and discounted back down to $11-13$/hour.

I also don't think you can quite half things just like a share for two reasons. It's not reasonable for anyone to pay 50% of their gross income for child care. In other words, a nanny cannot afford her own rates. So the market is going to push the discount south of 50% because there are very few nannies who could otherwise afford this arragenment at all. Also, it's not quite an equal partnership. The nanny is still an employee. The parent is going to expect that their child's schedule is going to be primary and that they have the final say in many decisions, like signing up for a class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?

NP here, but I think I can take a crack at this one.

PP was talking 15-25% off of her rate for one child. A share rate per family is normally half of the rate for two children /plus/ an extra 15-20% due to the fact its a share.

I think the PP's example only feels a little off because her one child rate is so far above average. (No judgement on whether its true or deserved, just that its above average). A more average one child, starting rate, of say 15-17$/hr might go up to $20-$22 per hour in a share and discounted back down to $11-13$/hour.

I also don't think you can quite half things just like a share for two reasons. It's not reasonable for anyone to pay 50% of their gross income for child care. In other words, a nanny cannot afford her own rates. So the market is going to push the discount south of 50% because there are very few nannies who could otherwise afford this arragenment at all. Also, it's not quite an equal partnership. The nanny is still an employee. The parent is going to expect that their child's schedule is going to be primary and that they have the final say in many decisions, like signing up for a class.

Thanks NP PP!

First, I do know I make more than average nannies - which is why in my first post I said those rates might actually not be OTT for those particular candidates even thought just seeing them on paper without other information they seem remarkably high for a NWOC - and why I tried to break down how a nanny might legitimately be "worth" $15-17/hr even with her own child.

And PP is correct about the difference between a share and a NWOC. The nanny is still an employee and her charges, her employer's children, get first priority for activities, schedules, and other needs. So if nanny's child doesn't want to go to the pool but her charges do? Too bad, kiddo, that's where we're going. Nanny's child needs a nap but it's time for the charge's music class? Everyone's going to music! The nanny and her child will both be expected to abide by the household rules of her employer and defer to their preferences regarding discipline, diet, toys, etc. So if the family wants only wooden toys around their kids, nanny's child will leave his plastic action figures at home to play with another time. Does that make sense? A share is 50-50 (cost and priority) because both sets of parents are the employers; it's a different scenario entirely with a NWOC. (In the UK, a NWOC typically takes a 10% pay cut fwiw.) Additionally, a NWOC should provide her own car seats, portable high chair, sleeping cot (if applicable), child's food, and child's toys and to remove them ALL at the end of every day - whereas a hosting share family will have to live with two of everything taking up space in their house.

[Anonymous]

Meant to include, NWOC is also expected to provide the double stroller

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?

NP here, but I think I can take a crack at this one.

PP was talking 15-25% off of her rate for one child. A share rate per family is normally half of the rate for two children /plus/ an extra 15-20% due to the fact its a share.

I think the PP's example only feels a little off because her one child rate is so far above average. (No judgement on whether its true or deserved, just that its above average). A more average one child, starting rate, of say 15-17$/hr might go up to $20-$22 per hour in a share and discounted back down to $11-13$/hour.

I also don't think you can quite half things just like a share for two reasons. It's not reasonable for anyone to pay 50% of their gross income for child care. In other words, a nanny cannot afford her own rates. So the market is going to push the discount south of 50% because there are very few nannies who could otherwise afford this arragenment at all. Also, it's not quite an equal partnership. The nanny is still an employee. The parent is going to expect that their child's schedule is going to be primary and that they have the final say in many decisions, like signing up for a class.

Thanks NP PP!

First, I do know I make more than average nannies - which is why in my first post I said those rates might actually not be OTT for those particular candidates even thought just seeing them on paper without other information they seem remarkably high for a NWOC - and why I tried to break down how a nanny might legitimately be "worth" $15-17/hr even with her own child.

And PP is correct about the difference between a share and a NWOC. The nanny is still an employee and her charges, her employer's children, get first priority for activities, schedules, and other needs. So if nanny's child doesn't want to go to the pool but her charges do? Too bad, kiddo, that's where we're going. Nanny's child needs a nap but it's time for the charge's music class? Everyone's going to music! The nanny and her child will both be expected to abide by the household rules of her employer and defer to their preferences regarding discipline, diet, toys, etc. So if the family wants only wooden toys around their kids, nanny's child will leave his plastic action figures at home to play with another time. Does that make sense? A share is 50-50 (cost and priority) because both sets of parents are the employers; it's a different scenario entirely with a NWOC. (In the UK, a NWOC typically takes a 10% pay cut fwiw.) Additionally, a NWOC should provide her own car seats, portable high chair, sleeping cot (if applicable), child's food, and child's toys and to remove them ALL at the end of every day - whereas a hosting share family will have to live with two of everything taking up space in their house.

Some of what you say is off base in my experience, so I suspect you haven't actually done it, correct?
Although in the end it's up to the nanny and the parents (not us) to determine what works for them.

[Anonymous]

How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?



Look, anyone can charge whatever they want. They will either eventually have an attractive offer within a "reasonable" time period, or not. Some may then choose to reconsider their fees, and some may decide to opt for something else altogether.

Stop trying to nail down your personal views on what every nanny is allowed to charge. You are just mad that some parents can afford higher priced nannies, and you can't or won't.

Dial back your drama, PP. I've not nailed down anything about what nannies are allowed to charge not am I mad at anyone. Nothing in my post would indicate that, so you can take your crazy reactions out for a walk.

Thanks to the subsequent polite posters who actually answered the question. You make a lot of sense and I appreciate hearing your thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How do you arrive at the 15-25% deduction for bring your child, PP? Why should it not be 50% as in a normal nanny share? Especially since MB is functioning as a host family in a share?



Look, anyone can charge whatever they want. They will either eventually have an attractive offer within a "reasonable" time period, or not. Some may then choose to reconsider their fees, and some may decide to opt for something else altogether.

Stop trying to nail down your personal views on what every nanny is allowed to charge. You are just mad that some parents can afford higher priced nannies, and you can't or won't.

Dial back your drama, PP. I've not nailed down anything about what nannies are allowed to charge not am I mad at anyone. Nothing in my post would indicate that, so you can take your crazy reactions out for a walk.

Thanks to the subsequent polite posters who actually answered the question. You make a lot of sense and I appreciate hearing your thoughts.

Yikes. It's the FFN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Some of what you say is off base in my experience, so I suspect you haven't actually done it, correct?
Although in the end it's up to the nanny and the parents (not us) to determine what works for them.

Which specific items do you think are "off base" from your experience?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Some of what you say is off base in my experience, so I suspect you haven't actually done it, correct?
Although in the end it's up to the nanny and the parents (not us) to determine what works for them.

Which specific items do you think are "off base" from your experience?

It doesn't matter because the point is that one size does not fit all. If we list some specifics to consider, that's perfectly fair. But to present a long list of "have to's" leads me to think that you've never done it.

True?

You may want to think that you know what you're talking about, but unless you've done it, you don't. You can only imagine. Maybe you didn't mean to come off that way.