S/O cameras ... Many leaving baby outside

[Anonymous]

The op of the cameras thread said they fired the nanny because the cam revealed the nanny put the baby outside for 10 minutes....I have heard that Northern Europeans strongly believe babies need fresh air, even in winter. Because of this, they will put babies outside in the stroller or carseat to get the air once a day...maybe nanny thought she was doing what was best for the baby?

[Anonymous]

Maybe the nanny didn't want the baby to choke on the cleaning chemicals while she had to do the housekeeping.

[maril332]

Was the baby on the porch or patio in the rear of the house? details.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the nanny didn't want the baby to choke on the cleaning chemicals while she had to do the housekeeping.

Another reason to question your priorities when you require a "nanny" to get your house clean.

[Anonymous]

I'm the OP of the original camera thread. First of all, shame on those of you who try to justify abusing an innocent baby. It doesn't matter if the nanny was required to housekeeping, you think it's ok to leave a 4 month old outside screaming when it's 20 degrees outside?! What is wrong with you?

Not that it should matter at all but this nanny was paid well over market rates for the area we lived at the time and wasn't required to do ANYTHING other than child care for 1 infant. She was annoyed with me that day because we didn't use a pacifier for the baby and she didn't agree with that so instead of discussing her dissatisfaction with me or quitting because the job was clearly not the right fit for her she put the baby in his stroller in our driveway and went back in the house (with the door closed) to get a drink at go to the bathroom. The baby was outside screaming and anyone driving by could have heard him and seen he was there by himself.

I know I made mistakes in hiring her and I accept responsibility for that. It was the first nanny I'd ever hired and she had worked for good friends of ours for years and they loved her like family. She had a degree in early childhood education and I had absolutely no idea what to look for in a nanny so I took our friends recommendation. It turns out she was literally crazy. As in, needs to be on medication and possibly committed crazy but our friends had on idea because they didn't have cameras either. After we fired her our friends hired her back, not fully believing everything I said. Not long after that fired her as well and apologized to me and their words to me were "you are right, she is crazy."

The original thread is months old so I'm not sure why any of you feel the need to bring this up again, but I think it's disgusting that you would try to make fun of this situation. I don't know in what world you think it's ever ok to do that to an innocent baby. It was freezing outside and he could have been kidnapped out there by himself. He did nothing to the nanny and if she didn't like the job then she was free to leave but under NO circumstances is what she did ok. My only regret is that I didn't call the police for what she did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP of the original camera thread. First of all, shame on those of you who try to justify abusing an innocent baby. It doesn't matter if the nanny was required to housekeeping, you think it's ok to leave a 4 month old outside screaming when it's 20 degrees outside?! What is wrong with you?

Not that it should matter at all but this nanny was paid well over market rates for the area we lived at the time and wasn't required to do ANYTHING other than child care for 1 infant. She was annoyed with me that day because we didn't use a pacifier for the baby and she didn't agree with that so instead of discussing her dissatisfaction with me or quitting because the job was clearly not the right fit for her she put the baby in his stroller in our driveway and went back in the house (with the door closed) to get a drink at go to the bathroom. The baby was outside screaming and anyone driving by could have heard him and seen he was there by himself.

I know I made mistakes in hiring her and I accept responsibility for that. It was the first nanny I'd ever hired and she had worked for good friends of ours for years and they loved her like family. She had a degree in early childhood education and I had absolutely no idea what to look for in a nanny so I took our friends recommendation. It turns out she was literally crazy. As in, needs to be on medication and possibly committed crazy but our friends had on idea because they didn't have cameras either. After we fired her our friends hired her back, not fully believing everything I said. Not long after that fired her as well and apologized to me and their words to me were "you are right, she is crazy."

The original thread is months old so I'm not sure why any of you feel the need to bring this up again, but I think it's disgusting that you would try to make fun of this situation. I don't know in what world you think it's ever ok to do that to an innocent baby. It was freezing outside and he could have been kidnapped out there by himself. He did nothing to the nanny and if she didn't like the job then she was free to leave but under NO circumstances is what she did ok. My only regret is that I didn't call the police for what she did.

I did not read the original thread about the camera, so this is the first time I hear this story. my DH is from the miswest and we aleady took out our baby for walk even when the weather was really cold (we would just covered her). said that, if what happened to you had happened to me, I would have called the police and report the nanny for child abuse. while I think a child can go out when it is cold, the child must be very well covered (if the child was screaming he was clearly in distress and not happy). and there is simply no excuse whatsoever for living a 4 month alone by the sidewalk for 10 minutes, while the nanny is inside with the door locked. I have friends who live in Norway. they take their babies out or even let them stay on the balcony in their stroller, even in the winter, but they never ever live them alone outside of the house

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The op of the cameras thread said they fired the nanny because the cam revealed the nanny put the baby outside for 10 minutes....I have heard that Northern Europeans strongly believe babies need fresh air, even in winter. Because of this, they will put babies outside in the stroller or carseat to get the air once a day...maybe nanny thought she was doing what was best for the baby?

no. if the nanny thought she was doing what is best for the baby, she would have stayed outside by the baby the whole time the baby was outside (she was paid to whatch the baby afterall). Northen European take their babies outside, they do not leave them outside unattended while they enjoy their warm homes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP of the original camera thread. First of all, shame on those of you who try to justify abusing an innocent baby. It doesn't matter if the nanny was required to housekeeping, you think it's ok to leave a 4 month old outside screaming when it's 20 degrees outside?! What is wrong with you?

Not that it should matter at all but this nanny was paid well over market rates for the area we lived at the time and wasn't required to do ANYTHING other than child care for 1 infant. She was annoyed with me that day because we didn't use a pacifier for the baby and she didn't agree with that so instead of discussing her dissatisfaction with me or quitting because the job was clearly not the right fit for her she put the baby in his stroller in our driveway and went back in the house (with the door closed) to get a drink at go to the bathroom. The baby was outside screaming and anyone driving by could have heard him and seen he was there by himself.

I know I made mistakes in hiring her and I accept responsibility for that. It was the first nanny I'd ever hired and she had worked for good friends of ours for years and they loved her like family. She had a degree in early childhood education and I had absolutely no idea what to look for in a nanny so I took our friends recommendation. It turns out she was literally crazy. As in, needs to be on medication and possibly committed crazy but our friends had on idea because they didn't have cameras either. After we fired her our friends hired her back, not fully believing everything I said. Not long after that fired her as well and apologized to me and their words to me were "you are right, she is crazy."

The original thread is months old so I'm not sure why any of you feel the need to bring this up again, but I think it's disgusting that you would try to make fun of this situation. I don't know in what world you think it's ever ok to do that to an innocent baby. It was freezing outside and he could have been kidnapped out there by himself. He did nothing to the nanny and if she didn't like the job then she was free to leave but under NO circumstances is what she did ok. My only regret is that I didn't call the police for what she did.

This is a spin off thread and was, presumably, started to invite discussion. Aside from the one snarky commenter, could you point out the post that legitimately made fun of or excused the situation? I think your anger is pretty misdirected here.

[Anonymous]

I'm not from Europe, but from day one of her life, DD has spent time outside. Many, many days I parked her on the balcony for her nap, in all kinds of weather.

[Anonymous]

Sadly, I think the OP was assuming that the nanny excuses above as to why its acceptable to leave a baby outside alone were joking. Its frightening but the nannies on this board actually are that bad and have the attitude that any excuse should fly. They weren't joking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the OP was assuming that the nanny excuses above as to why its acceptable to leave a baby outside alone were joking. Its frightening but the nannies on this board actually are that bad and have the attitude that any excuse should fly. They weren't joking.

And the mb's on this board are that perfect, lol.

[Anonymous]

The nannies have hit a new low on this one.

[Anonymous]

My British MIL puts all babies at the bottom of the garden for about 10-15 minutes every morning if it is not raining or snowing and even if we, the parents, are around. I used to be so terrified of leaving my son with her when it was cold. Many times I had no choice though. We laugh about it now.

[Anonymous]

Another reason to hire nannies who understand and agree with your common cultural norms.

[Anonymous]

Being out in the cold is not a big deal (provided the child is dressed appropriately). But I would be very alarmed, to say the least, to find out the child had been left outside in the cold alone.

There is no reason to leave a baby sitting outside unattended in any circumstance. Very cold weather introduces another risk factor to an already problematic situation.