Krim Family Nanny Murder Trial

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This certainly is horrific. What still haunts me is how it was never said HOW these parents found this sitter. I'm horrified to say... probably off the street, without a single reference or criminal background check. I also fear they were paying her pathetically low wages OFF the BOOKS with zero benefits.

In fact, all babysitter abuse cases never report if it was a legal worker paid on the books and had references.

Actually, it does. Articles online say she was a naturalized citizen, paid $18/hour, the Krims got a wonderful reference, and the nanny’s sister was also a nanny, for a girl who was in the same class as the Krim daughter which is how they were first introduced.

Which article? Link, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This certainly is horrific. What still haunts me is how it was never said HOW these parents found this sitter. I'm horrified to say... probably off the street, without a single reference or criminal background check. I also fear they were paying her pathetically low wages OFF the BOOKS with zero benefits.

In fact, all babysitter abuse cases never report if it was a legal worker paid on the books and had references.

Actually, it does. Articles online say she was a naturalized citizen, paid $18/hour, the Krims got a wonderful reference, and the nanny’s sister was also a nanny, for a girl who was in the same class as the Krim daughter which is how they were first introduced.

Which article? Link, please.

Google is your friend here.

CNN: "Ortega had been a naturalized U.S. citizen for 10 years." http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/us/new-york-nanny-deaths/index.html
Huffington Post: "She was paid $18 an hour" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/yoselyn-ortega-nanny-accused-killing-krims-money-son-new-york-city_n_2104157.html
The Cut: "A fourth sister, Celia, had connected Yoselyn with the Krims in the first place, Marina testified: She was also a nanny, and her employers sent their daughter to the same bilingual preschool that Lulu attended... when Marina asked a reference about Yoselyn, it was 'all roses.'" http://www.thecut.com/2018/03/nanny-murder-trial-day-1-mother-marina-krim-testifies.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This certainly is horrific. What still haunts me is how it was never said HOW these parents found this sitter. I'm horrified to say... probably off the street, without a single reference or criminal background check. I also fear they were paying her pathetically low wages OFF the BOOKS with zero benefits.

In fact, all babysitter abuse cases never report if it was a legal worker paid on the books and had references.

Actually, it does. Articles online say she was a naturalized citizen, paid $18/hour, the Krims got a wonderful reference, and the nanny’s sister was also a nanny, for a girl who was in the same class as the Krim daughter which is how they were first introduced.

Which article? Link, please.

Google is your friend here.

CNN: "Ortega had been a naturalized U.S. citizen for 10 years." http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/us/new-york-nanny-deaths/index.html
Huffington Post: "She was paid $18 an hour" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/yoselyn-ortega-nanny-accused-killing-krims-money-son-new-york-city_n_2104157.html
The Cut: "A fourth sister, Celia, had connected Yoselyn with the Krims in the first place, Marina testified: She was also a nanny, and her employers sent their daughter to the same bilingual preschool that Lulu attended... when Marina asked a reference about Yoselyn, it was 'all roses.'" http://www.thecut.com/2018/03/nanny-murder-trial-day-1-mother-marina-krim-testifies.html

15.03 here. Precisely. Legal status and pay don’t matter. Parents do horrible things too. When looking for a caregiver, you have to trust references, a background check and your gut.

[Anonymous]

I read on the NYT that the nanny had one reference and the mother now believes that it was faked by a family member, sister, if I recall correctly.

My takeaways from this shocking tragedy are 1) multiple references required and 2) don’t turn a blind eye to any unusual behavior. But in no way am I implying that this was in any way the parents’ fault. Tragedy can strike even the most careful and 20/20 hindsight.

As an aside, I’m a SAHM and live in the same neighborhood as the Krims. This area is teeming with young families and mothers are very proactive to report abuse by caregivers they witness. If this nanny had been exhibiting any alarming behavior with her charges in public, someone would have said something and tried to find the parents. So my guess is she was not and was exhibiting only subtle changes that only people close to her such as her employers could pick up on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read on the NYT that the nanny had one reference and the mother now believes that it was faked by a family member, sister, if I recall correctly.

My takeaways from this shocking tragedy are 1) multiple references required and 2) don’t turn a blind eye to any unusual behavior. But in no way am I implying that this was in any way the parents’ fault. Tragedy can strike even the most careful and 20/20 hindsight.

As an aside, I’m a SAHM and live in the same neighborhood as the Krims. This area is teeming with young families and mothers are very proactive to report abuse by caregivers they witness. If this nanny had been exhibiting any alarming behavior with her charges in public, someone would have said something and tried to find the parents. So my guess is she was not and was exhibiting only subtle changes that only people close to her such as her employers could pick up on.

Or she showed no signs. Many people who attempt suicide don’t show any signs. I would think this might be comparable.

[Anonymous]

Krim didn't work, didn't need to, and should have taken care of her kids herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Krim didn't work, didn't need to, and should have taken care of her kids herself.

You are truly an ugly, vile person, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Krim didn't work, didn't need to, and should have taken care of her kids herself.

Yes, clearly the natural outcome of a SAH mother of three hiring childcare is murder. She really should have predicted this.

That is what you are saying. You get that, right?

[Anonymous]

I've seen it said that the killer got $18/hr. Has this ever been verified from pay stubs or even an agreement signed by the woman and the parents?

Has it ever been verified that she was legally paid on the books?

I'd like to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've seen it said that the killer got $18/hr. Has this ever been verified from pay stubs or even an agreement signed by the woman and the parents?

Has it ever been verified that she was legally paid on the books?

I'd like to know.

Why? She was an American citizen. In any event, how she was paid or how much doesn't lead to murder, does it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen it said that the killer got $18/hr. Has this ever been verified from pay stubs or even an agreement signed by the woman and the parents?

Has it ever been verified that she was legally paid on the books?

I'd like to know.

Why? She was an American citizen. In any event, how she was paid or how much doesn't lead to murder, does it?

Reread my question and check your comprehension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Krim didn't work, didn't need to, and should have taken care of her kids herself.

Many sahms need help to get kids home for nap while somebody else had activities, or just to get everyone to everything on time. It sounds like that’s what happened there, since mom was out with the older daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Krim didn't work, didn't need to, and should have taken care of her kids herself.

Many sahms need help to get kids home for nap while somebody else had activities, or just to get everyone to everything on time. It sounds like that’s what happened there, since mom was out with the older daughter.

As long as you legally compensate your qualified helper, it's totally fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen it said that the killer got $18/hr. Has this ever been verified from pay stubs or even an agreement signed by the woman and the parents?

Has it ever been verified that she was legally paid on the books?

I'd like to know.

Why? She was an American citizen. In any event, how she was paid or how much doesn't lead to murder, does it?

Reread my question and check your comprehension.

Different poster, but I really don't see how the question is relevant either. What would be your reaction if she was legally paid on the books? What would it be if she were paid in cash with no taxes withheld? It seems irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is murder of the children.