DS just choked? I think nanny's response wasn't correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here... I've resisted responding so far but this is getting silly. I have a legal nanny, who is paid a good wage, gets 3 weeks paid vacation, bonuses etc. We like her and want to keep her, so we do our best to treat her well!

She understands a lot of English, and I understand a lot of Spanish, so in general, we have no trouble communicating. In this case, though, knowing the word in Spanish for "choking" vs. "gagging" is pretty advanced. So there is a language barrier here. I wanted to make sure she could review a resource in her native language.

Re: the CPR class, I paid for her to attend one 3 months ago. After I posted this, we talked about what happened more, and she said in prior CPR classes, they recommended a mouth sweep. I don't know if they specifically said NO MOUTH SWEEPS in the last class or just focused on what she should do.

In any case, there's just a lot of assumptions and judgments here. And I am finally frustrated enough to respond! But I do appreciate those who took the time to provide helpful responses. I am grateful!

Hi OP. While mouth sweeps are generally not recommended, you DO NOT do mouth sweeps when someone is coughing under any circumstances. Coughing IS NOT choking. In fact, coughing is good. Coughing means you are 1. Getting air in and out and 2. your body is working to fix the problem on its own. Performing anything on this person increases their risk of choking (i.e a finger sweep could disldoge the piece that coughing had moved and it could actually cause choking). If someone is coughing, let them cough and keep an eye on them. Don't let them lay down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here... I've resisted responding so far but this is getting silly. I have a legal nanny, who is paid a good wage, gets 3 weeks paid vacation, bonuses etc. We like her and want to keep her, so we do our best to treat her well!

She understands a lot of English, and I understand a lot of Spanish, so in general, we have no trouble communicating. In this case, though, knowing the word in Spanish for "choking" vs. "gagging" is pretty advanced. So there is a language barrier here. I wanted to make sure she could review a resource in her native language.

Re: the CPR class, I paid for her to attend one 3 months ago. After I posted this, we talked about what happened more, and she said in prior CPR classes, they recommended a mouth sweep. I don't know if they specifically said NO MOUTH SWEEPS in the last class or just focused on what she should do.

In any case, there's just a lot of assumptions and judgments here. And I am finally frustrated enough to respond! But I do appreciate those who took the time to provide helpful responses. I am grateful!

Sorry - you are still an idiot. Both you and non-English speaking nanny should have known that if the baby/child is coughing YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE. NO ONE EVER RECOMMENDED A MOUTH SWEEP FOR A COUGHING CHILD/BABY.

AND you are NOT paying a good wage and she is not legal. Cut the crap.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here... I've resisted responding so far but this is getting silly. I have a legal nanny, who is paid a good wage, gets 3 weeks paid vacation, bonuses etc. We like her and want to keep her, so we do our best to treat her well!

She understands a lot of English, and I understand a lot of Spanish, so in general, we have no trouble communicating. In this case, though, knowing the word in Spanish for "choking" vs. "gagging" is pretty advanced. So there is a language barrier here. I wanted to make sure she could review a resource in her native language.

Re: the CPR class, I paid for her to attend one 3 months ago. After I posted this, we talked about what happened more, and she said in prior CPR classes, they recommended a mouth sweep. I don't know if they specifically said NO MOUTH SWEEPS in the last class or just focused on what she should do.

In any case, there's just a lot of assumptions and judgments here. And I am finally frustrated enough to respond! But I do appreciate those who took the time to provide helpful responses. I am grateful!

Sorry - you are still an idiot. Both you and non-English speaking nanny should have known that if the baby/child is coughing YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE. NO ONE EVER RECOMMENDED A MOUTH SWEEP FOR A COUGHING CHILD/BABY.

AND you are NOT paying a good wage and she is not legal. Cut the crap.

This.

+2 she's pissed we called her out

[Anonymous]

IF an infant is truly choking - not coughing or moving any air - you put the baby in the correct position for back blows (laying on your forearm with chin supported in your hand, your arm tilted down so baby's head is lower than his chest) and begin with 5 back blows. If the back blows do not dislodge the item, you flip baby over and do 5 chest thrusts. Lather, rinse, repeat.

If baby becomes unconscious, you start modified CPR, and the first step is to look in the baby's mouth and see if the item being choked on is visible. Maybe that is where your nanny is getting the "mouth sweep" idea from, but she's grossly mistaken, and it sounds like you don't know much about how to handle a choking infant either.

Signed,
A nanny who actually knows her stuff

[Anonymous]

Every single nanny AND parent should be trained in infant/child CPR and first aid. No excuses. NON.

[Anonymous]

*NONE.

[Anonymous]

while knowing the difference between "choking" and "gagging" is, indeed, subtle and advanced - you don't think that's important enough to know when it comes to your child's life?

even if she is "pretty good" at English and you are "pretty good" at Spanish, you are clearly missing some VERY important words

[Anonymous]

And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

Oh, please! It is hardly racism to expect the person in charge of your child actually speak English in an English speaking country. This is just one of the repercussions of the bargain-basement undocumented foreign nanny. I would say the same about an American nanny who doesn't speak fluent Spanish in Mexico.

[Anonymous]

OP: I'm fully bilingual. What word did she use?

Also, as a care giver I have to renew my CPR certificate yearly. She should re-take the class. They offer them in Spanish at the resource center in rockville and they are around $40.

Glad your kid is OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

Oh, please! It is hardly racism to expect the person in charge of your child actually speak English in an English speaking country. This is just one of the repercussions of the bargain-basement undocumented foreign nanny. I would say the same about an American nanny who doesn't speak fluent Spanish in Mexico.

You dumbass. The racism is insisting anyone who doesn't speak fluent English MUST be undocumented, despite OP saying otherwise, because you said so. As well as insisting OP is hiring under the table and all this BS +1ing like reading an internet thread made you a psychic. It is a common theme among sanctimommies on DCUM. You do realize that someone can be legal in this country without being a citizen, and whether you like it or not there is no requirement to speak English to be a resident?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

Oh, please! It is hardly racism to expect the person in charge of your child actually speak English in an English speaking country. This is just one of the repercussions of the bargain-basement undocumented foreign nanny. I would say the same about an American nanny who doesn't speak fluent Spanish in Mexico.

You dumbass. The racism is insisting anyone who doesn't speak fluent English MUST be undocumented, despite OP saying otherwise, because you said so. As well as insisting OP is hiring under the table and all this BS +1ing like reading an internet thread made you a psychic. It is a common theme among sanctimommies on DCUM. You do realize that someone can be legal in this country without being a citizen, and whether you like it or not there is no requirement to speak English to be a resident?

Get real! She is a nanny who cannot speak English - do you seriously think she is here on a Diplomatic Visa?

And fuck off, PP. The whole "sanctimommy" thing is so played out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay a decent wagevand hire a legal, ENGLISH speaking nanny.

This! And then you BOTH get the first aid training.

Thirded.

And fourth!

[Anonymous]

Hey OP, look at it this way, if I were a nanny in a foreign country and the family I worked for spoke a language different from my own, I'd still know what to do with a choking child. The words choking and gagging and the lack of ability to communicate properly really have nothing to do with the situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

Oh, please! It is hardly racism to expect the person in charge of your child actually speak English in an English speaking country. This is just one of the repercussions of the bargain-basement undocumented foreign nanny. I would say the same about an American nanny who doesn't speak fluent Spanish in Mexico.

You dumbass. The racism is insisting anyone who doesn't speak fluent English MUST be undocumented, despite OP saying otherwise, because you said so. As well as insisting OP is hiring under the table and all this BS +1ing like reading an internet thread made you a psychic. It is a common theme among sanctimommies on DCUM. You do realize that someone can be legal in this country without being a citizen, and whether you like it or not there is no requirement to speak English to be a resident?

Get real! She is a nanny who cannot speak English - do you seriously think she is here on a Diplomatic Visa?

And fuck off, PP. The whole "sanctimommy" thing is so played out.

If the shoe fits ...

You seem to have reading compression problems, or an inability to understand English as well. Perhaps you are undocumented? Her nanny isn't fluent in English, not the same thing. Regardless, there are tons of people legally in the US who don't speak English. Whether they should nanny is a different story, but the insistence anyone who can't speak English is illegal is stupid. Google "green card" or "TPS" for starters, and quit using your asshole to speak. You're a bad person.