DS just choked? I think nanny's response wasn't correct

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Anonymous wrote:And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

Oh, please! It is hardly racism to expect the person in charge of your child actually speak English in an English speaking country. This is just one of the repercussions of the bargain-basement undocumented foreign nanny. I would say the same about an American nanny who doesn't speak fluent Spanish in Mexico.

You dumbass. The racism is insisting anyone who doesn't speak fluent English MUST be undocumented, despite OP saying otherwise, because you said so. As well as insisting OP is hiring under the table and all this BS +1ing like reading an internet thread made you a psychic. It is a common theme among sanctimommies on DCUM. You do realize that someone can be legal in this country without being a citizen, and whether you like it or not there is no requirement to speak English to be a resident?

Get real! She is a nanny who cannot speak English - do you seriously think she is here on a Diplomatic Visa?

And fuck off, PP. The whole "sanctimommy" thing is so played out.

If the shoe fits ...

You seem to have reading compression problems, or an inability to understand English as well. Perhaps you are undocumented? Her nanny isn't fluent in English, not the same thing. Regardless, there are tons of people legally in the US who don't speak English. Whether they should nanny is a different story, but the insistence anyone who can't speak English is illegal is stupid. Google "green card" or "TPS" for starters, and quit using your asshole to speak. You're a bad person.

+1 the racism is disgusting (NP here)

Wanting your childcare provider to speak the same language as the country she is living in is not racism, PP, it is common sense. Further, to make the observation that most non-English speaking nannies are undocumented is fact and not racism.

I am a Mexican-American and a "Dreamer". Both of my parents were here illegally and I was brought here at the age of six months. I know racism and assuming that a non-English speaking domestic working is not here legally is NOT racism - it is fact. You do undocumented workers and legal foreigners no favor with your "faux" liberalism. Employers in this country are taking advantage of undocumented workers in this country every single day and they are the ones who should be called out (like OP) and not the posters who are simply stating the truth.

Accusing OP of hiring an undocumented immigrant solely based on the fact that her nanny is not completely fluent is racist. Particularly in light of OP saying explicitly that the woman is in the country legally. Assuming that all individuals who don't speak English are undocumented is actually quite racist (lots of statuses can be acquired despite not having English, refugee or asylee status for one, or TPS as another PP mentioned). You are a dreamer, so I am surprised you don't have more understanding of things like that. I am not a faux liberal but someone who works in immigration and communicates with immigrant populations as a central part of my job. People who take advantage of undocumented workers are, IMO, just as disgusting as the person who assumes that every nanny speaking Spanish is undocumented, but they're both disgusting.

You are seriously equating someone who assumes that a domestic worker who doesn't speak English is equal to someone who underpays, exploits and terrorizes undocumented workers?!! You are truly ridiculous, PP. As a Dreamer I would far rather have someone assume my parents are undocumented than enslave them.

Obviously I would agree with that (I am the PP). But I am baffled by your not seeming to see anything wrong with broadly painting anyone who doesn't speak English as undocumented and how you don't see how that could create systemic and dangerous circumstances for both documented and undocumented immigrants due to prejudice. Why don't you take a look at all the police brutality against black youth to see the possible real and physical dangers of racism. Why don't you ask hispanic americans who have been jailed or detained or just brutally treated by police in Arizona because they didn't have their documents on them. Why don't you ask someone who struggles with English who is documented who can't get a job because an employer assumes they are undocumented, leaving them unable to support their family? Your personal history and my knowledge of the day to day experience of these individuals makes it really hard for me to believe that YOU are telling the truth about YOUR status frankly.

I am a graduate student in the sciences and a woman as well as a registered Dreamer. Trust me, I am safe.

And no - I don't assume anyone who cannot speak English to be here undocumented. But I do assume that domestic workers, kitchen workers and landscape workers who do not speak English to be here undocumented. Because the majority of them ARE undocumented and being exploited by American employers who face little punishment for their crime. My position is absolutely counter the Arizona police stopping dark-skinned people who speak with an accent and demanding to see their papers! I am assuming - based on my observation - that OP's nanny is undocumented and OP is underpaying her. I do not want to see OP's nanny deported anymore than I wanted to see my own parents deported (both are documented now). BUT pretending that we are doing some wonderful service to our undocumented foreign workers by pretending we think they are all working legally with legal protections is damaging to them and continues to protect the exploitive employers.

My intent in all this is to call out OP - not her nanny. I am sorry if that offends you. But that is my sound opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:And the racism starts again!

OP, luckily your kid is fine. I would pay for a refresher CPR AND first aid class, in Spanish, for your nanny.

Oh, please! It is hardly racism to expect the person in charge of your child actually speak English in an English speaking country. This is just one of the repercussions of the bargain-basement undocumented foreign nanny. I would say the same about an American nanny who doesn't speak fluent Spanish in Mexico.

You dumbass. The racism is insisting anyone who doesn't speak fluent English MUST be undocumented, despite OP saying otherwise, because you said so. As well as insisting OP is hiring under the table and all this BS +1ing like reading an internet thread made you a psychic. It is a common theme among sanctimommies on DCUM. You do realize that someone can be legal in this country without being a citizen, and whether you like it or not there is no requirement to speak English to be a resident?

Get real! She is a nanny who cannot speak English - do you seriously think she is here on a Diplomatic Visa?

And fuck off, PP. The whole "sanctimommy" thing is so played out.

If the shoe fits ...

You seem to have reading compression problems, or an inability to understand English as well. Perhaps you are undocumented? Her nanny isn't fluent in English, not the same thing. Regardless, there are tons of people legally in the US who don't speak English. Whether they should nanny is a different story, but the insistence anyone who can't speak English is illegal is stupid. Google "green card" or "TPS" for starters, and quit using your asshole to speak. You're a bad person.

+1 the racism is disgusting (NP here)

Wanting your childcare provider to speak the same language as the country she is living in is not racism, PP, it is common sense. Further, to make the observation that most non-English speaking nannies are undocumented is fact and not racism.

I am a Mexican-American and a "Dreamer". Both of my parents were here illegally and I was brought here at the age of six months. I know racism and assuming that a non-English speaking domestic working is not here legally is NOT racism - it is fact. You do undocumented workers and legal foreigners no favor with your "faux" liberalism. Employers in this country are taking advantage of undocumented workers in this country every single day and they are the ones who should be called out (like OP) and not the posters who are simply stating the truth.

Accusing OP of hiring an undocumented immigrant solely based on the fact that her nanny is not completely fluent is racist. Particularly in light of OP saying explicitly that the woman is in the country legally. Assuming that all individuals who don't speak English are undocumented is actually quite racist (lots of statuses can be acquired despite not having English, refugee or asylee status for one, or TPS as another PP mentioned). You are a dreamer, so I am surprised you don't have more understanding of things like that. I am not a faux liberal but someone who works in immigration and communicates with immigrant populations as a central part of my job. People who take advantage of undocumented workers are, IMO, just as disgusting as the person who assumes that every nanny speaking Spanish is undocumented, but they're both disgusting.

You are seriously equating someone who assumes that a domestic worker who doesn't speak English is equal to someone who underpays, exploits and terrorizes undocumented workers?!! You are truly ridiculous, PP. As a Dreamer I would far rather have someone assume my parents are undocumented than enslave them.

Obviously I would agree with that (I am the PP). But I am baffled by your not seeming to see anything wrong with broadly painting anyone who doesn't speak English as undocumented and how you don't see how that could create systemic and dangerous circumstances for both documented and undocumented immigrants due to prejudice. Why don't you take a look at all the police brutality against black youth to see the possible real and physical dangers of racism. Why don't you ask hispanic americans who have been jailed or detained or just brutally treated by police in Arizona because they didn't have their documents on them. Why don't you ask someone who struggles with English who is documented who can't get a job because an employer assumes they are undocumented, leaving them unable to support their family? Your personal history and my knowledge of the day to day experience of these individuals makes it really hard for me to believe that YOU are telling the truth about YOUR status frankly.

I am a graduate student in the sciences and a woman as well as a registered Dreamer. Trust me, I am safe.

And no - I don't assume anyone who cannot speak English to be here undocumented. But I do assume that domestic workers, kitchen workers and landscape workers who do not speak English to be here undocumented. Because the majority of them ARE undocumented and being exploited by American employers who face little punishment for their crime. My position is absolutely counter the Arizona police stopping dark-skinned people who speak with an accent and demanding to see their papers! I am assuming - based on my observation - that OP's nanny is undocumented and OP is underpaying her. I do not want to see OP's nanny deported anymore than I wanted to see my own parents deported (both are documented now). BUT pretending that we are doing some wonderful service to our undocumented foreign workers by pretending we think they are all working legally with legal protections is damaging to them and continues to protect the exploitive employers.

My intent in all this is to call out OP - not her nanny. I am sorry if that offends you. But that is my sound opinion.

Frankly, you seem to be holding the same prejudices that lead to things like the AZ law. Plenty of individuals holding green cards and EADs speak broken English. The only thing you are required to speak English for is naturalization. Saying that employers who take advantage of undocumented workers are abhorrent is true, and they are breaking the law and should be punished. Claiming that anything in OP's posts or responses implies that she is hiring an undocumented worker implies very damaging prejudice. The facts as I understand them from OP are that she is employing a hispanic woman at a rate she doesn't specify but claims is competitive with paid vacation and that the woman speaks some English but is not fluent. Nothing about that scenario apart from the woman's lack of fluency implies undocumented status. You should stop perpetuating that stereotype.

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Seriously. My friend's father has been a citizen for over 25 years and he barely speaks English. You know what they say about assumptions...

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We have had 2 Spanish speaking nannies( 1 from Costa Rica, one from Mexico), both were legal, college educated. In my opinion, they were the best! We also hired 2 American nannies( 2-3 weeks), who couldn't cook to save their life, couldn't do arts and crafts, no imagination, no talent. Had to get rid of both and hired a Spanish speaking nanny. Frankly, Mexican, Latin American women are far more nurturing, talented and patient, they are simply suited better to work in childcare. So, yes some of us will hire legal Latino nannies because they are so good.

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Anonymous wrote:We have had 2 Spanish speaking nannies( 1 from Costa Rica, one from Mexico), both were legal, college educated. In my opinion, they were the best! We also hired 2 American nannies( 2-3 weeks), who couldn't cook to save their life, couldn't do arts and crafts, no imagination, no talent. Had to get rid of both and hired a Spanish speaking nanny. Frankly, Mexican, Latin American women are far more nurturing, talented and patient, they are simply suited better to work in childcare. So, yes some of us will hire legal Latino nannies because they are so good.

No clue what kind of child "cooking" you had in mind, but anyone who has zero arts and crafts skills, isn't a nanny. Sorry.
Latina nannies tend to be more submissive than Americans. Perhaps that's what has you so excited, not to mention the bargain wages. Let's be honest.

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To the Dreamer on this thread, I'm an immigration attorney and I'm amazed that you are spreading misinformation given your own experiences with immigration law. There are plenty of salvadorans and others with TPS, family visas or other statuses that allow them to work lawfully in the US (it's not just diplomatic visas.) I used to represent domestic workers an many of them were here legally. thanks

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Anonymous wrote:I work at home. I heard my 10 month old son coughing and crying. I didn't go downstairs because I don't like the meddle, but then the nanny started yelling my name.

When I got downstairs, my son was crying and had just vomited a little saliva on the floor.

It seems like he still had some food in his mouth after lunch, and maybe gagged or choked on it while he was crawling around. I know a lot of people cannot tell the difference and I'm not sure if my nanny can. The "food" that came out was a little stringy bit of cantaloupe so I'm guessing it was more of a gag than a choke.

Anyway, she told me she stuck her finger in his mouth to try to induce him to vomit. I have read over and over that this is NOT the right thing to do.

I said it was dangerous to do that because it might push the food further back, but she said she was more scraping the side of his mouth.

I feel bad because the whole situation must have been stressful, but if she is not responding appropriately I absolutely need to make sure she knows that.

Language is a bit of a barrier - she speaks Spanish. So I guess my questions are:

1) Was her response appropriate? Normally I'm not an over-corrector, but in this case, I absolutely want to correct her if need be.

2) Do you know of any resources in Spanish that would be good for her to review? She's infant CPR certified but maybe they don't explicitly say not to stick your finger in the baby's mouth?

totally wrong. you do the "finger sweep" of the mouth.

finger down the throat, never heard in any class even my First Responder class when I was a USLA lifeguard. Maybe if the kid swallowed poison.

Just tell her how to do the "finger sweep", then baby heimlich.

Keep track of these 'lost in translations' with nannies that are not proficient or fluent in English. Can be a lot more work on your end trying to get them to understand even basic things (like no twisted straps on car seats) and they inevitably end up defensive, even though you are trying to work with them and their english skills.

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Anonymous wrote:I work at home. I heard my 10 month old son coughing and crying. I didn't go downstairs because I don't like the meddle, but then the nanny started yelling my name.

When I got downstairs, my son was crying and had just vomited a little saliva on the floor.

It seems like he still had some food in his mouth after lunch, and maybe gagged or choked on it while he was crawling around. I know a lot of people cannot tell the difference and I'm not sure if my nanny can. The "food" that came out was a little stringy bit of cantaloupe so I'm guessing it was more of a gag than a choke.

Anyway, she told me she stuck her finger in his mouth to try to induce him to vomit. I have read over and over that this is NOT the right thing to do.

I said it was dangerous to do that because it might push the food further back, but she said she was more scraping the side of his mouth.

I feel bad because the whole situation must have been stressful, but if she is not responding appropriately I absolutely need to make sure she knows that.

Language is a bit of a barrier - she speaks Spanish. So I guess my questions are:

1) Was her response appropriate? Normally I'm not an over-corrector, but in this case, I absolutely want to correct her if need be.

2) Do you know of any resources in Spanish that would be good for her to review? She's infant CPR certified but maybe they don't explicitly say not to stick your finger in the baby's mouth?

have her show you EXACTLY what she did in the air ,and in your mouth. They may not have known the correct wording. Otherwise, safety first.

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I am so confused by the mention of diplomatic visas in this thread. Does the poster who used the term even know what they are? The only way a nanny could have one is if she was the spouse or minor child of a diplomat (or, I guess, the diplomat themself, which is even more laughable). Do you know who is very unlikely to be working as a nanny?