Nannies and flu shots?

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Anonymous wrote:Every single time I have gotten a flu shot, I get the flu. Every year that I skip the shot, I don't get the flu.
Unless your child has a compromised immune system, it's not a big deal.

No you don't. You might get sick, it might even be a terrible cold, but it isn't the flu.

Yes. I. Do.
It's quite odd that you keep telling me what has and has not happened to me. I have been a nanny for 15 years. In those 15 years, I've had the flu shot 3 times. During those 3 flu seasons, I caught the flu. The other 7 years, I skipped the flu shot and did not get the flu.
I am in no way claiming that the shot caused my illness. I am definitely pro-vaccination. In my experience, getting the flu shot does not 100% prevent flu. It was absolutely Influenza. I've had a cold and food poisoning before...the flu feels ENTIRELY different.

7 + 3 = 10 sweetie, not 15.
The way you worded your initial post, it sounded like you blamed the shot for your flu.

Pardon my math. You read my initial post the way you wanted to.
Do you enjoy being an assh*** to complete strangers? Good luck to your family. I hope they survive you.

I'm sorry, but 7 plus 3 is not complicated math. Was your "flu" confirmed with a lab test? A lot of times people think they have the flu when they don't. Honestly it sounds like it's in your head that if you get the flu shot you are going to get the flu.

When you lack an argument, go after a typo. That's pretty par for the course for DCUM. Since you seem so interested in my medical history (creepy!!), yes my illnesses were properly diagnosed. I was hospitalised two of those times. Do you actually know what the flu is? You seem to think it could be mistaken for a cold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to require a nanny to get flu shots? We have had a nanny since June, and she is great. But when we asked her last week when she was planning to get her flu shot (we offered to pay), she said that she hates shots and just dismissed the idea altogether. We are very concerned about exposing our daughter to someone who is at a higher risk of flu. Are we making too much of this?

I can't believe everyone on here missed the mark on this!

OP, your problem here is that instead of kindly asking your nanny about the flu shot, you just assumed she was going to get one and it doesn't sound to me like neither of you had pre-discussed this prior to hire.

So you are in the wrong here.

If you hired her and never mentioned requiring her to get the flu vaccine, then come flu season just assuming she would get it, then that is on you. Doesn't matter if you pay for it or not.

It is also your right to let her go if she refuses to get it.

I was hired for a family who didn't require me to get the shot at all. They recently asked me to get it done and I had no qualms about it since to me, it is no biggie. However, they would have been within their right to let me go if I refused as I would have been within my right to refuse if I wanted to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to require a nanny to get flu shots? We have had a nanny since June, and she is great. But when we asked her last week when she was planning to get her flu shot (we offered to pay), she said that she hates shots and just dismissed the idea altogether. We are very concerned about exposing our daughter to someone who is at a higher risk of flu. Are we making too much of this?

I can't believe everyone on here missed the mark on this!

OP, your problem here is that instead of kindly asking your nanny about the flu shot, you just assumed she was going to get one and it doesn't sound to me like neither of you had pre-discussed this prior to hire.

So you are in the wrong here.

If you hired her and never mentioned requiring her to get the flu vaccine, then come flu season just assuming she would get it, then that is on you. Doesn't matter if you pay for it or not.

It is also your right to let her go if she refuses to get it.

I was hired for a family who didn't require me to get the shot at all. They recently asked me to get it done and I had no qualms about it since to me, it is no biggie. However, they would have been within their right to let me go if I refused as I would have been within my right to refuse if I wanted to.

OMG. A totally rational, helpful, appropriate post. What a nice change!!

[Anonymous]

There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.

Huh? There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine is at least moderately helpful for all groups, and very helpful for many. There is plenty of evidence that the flu itself is deadly at worst, particularly for newborns and pregnant women.

All vaccines carry some risk of harm, but this is a very widely given shot, and we are not hearing about people dropping like flies from it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Every single time I have gotten a flu shot, I get the flu. Every year that I skip the shot, I don't get the flu.
Unless your child has a compromised immune system, it's not a big deal.


No you don't. You might get sick, it might even be a terrible cold, but it isn't the flu.


Yes. I. Do.
It's quite odd that you keep telling me what has and has not happened to me. I have been a nanny for 15 years. In those 15 years, I've had the flu shot 3 times. During those 3 flu seasons, I caught the flu. The other 7 years, I skipped the flu shot and did not get the flu.
I am in no way claiming that the shot caused my illness. I am definitely pro-vaccination. In my experience, getting the flu shot does not 100% prevent flu. It was absolutely Influenza. I've had a cold and food poisoning before...the flu feels ENTIRELY different.

Nanny, there is more than one person who doubts your claims about the flu. I posted one and at least one person agrees, maybe two or three.

So stop thinking you are being maligned by one poster telling you anything. There are several people disagreeing with your posts and some of us think that the advice you are giving OP to be dangerous. And since in your follow up, you admit that you don't even think the flu was caused by the flu shot, you are especially irresponsible to suggest anyone skip the benefits of the flu shot because you apparently have the unbelievable, coincidental luck of getting an unrelated virus on the years you got the shot.

So, grow thicker skin, buy a lottery ticket, and stop posting ignorant advice unless you expect to be challenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Every single time I have gotten a flu shot, I get the flu. Every year that I skip the shot, I don't get the flu.
Unless your child has a compromised immune system, it's not a big deal.


No you don't. You might get sick, it might even be a terrible cold, but it isn't the flu.


Yes. I. Do.
It's quite odd that you keep telling me what has and has not happened to me. I have been a nanny for 15 years. In those 15 years, I've had the flu shot 3 times. During those 3 flu seasons, I caught the flu. The other 7 years, I skipped the flu shot and did not get the flu.
I am in no way claiming that the shot caused my illness. I am definitely pro-vaccination. In my experience, getting the flu shot does not 100% prevent flu. It was absolutely Influenza. I've had a cold and food poisoning before...the flu feels ENTIRELY different.

Surrrreee.

Nanny, there is more than one person who doubts your claims about the flu. I posted one and at least one person agrees, maybe two or three.

So stop thinking you are being maligned by one poster telling you anything. There are several people disagreeing with your posts and some of us think that the advice you are giving OP to be dangerous. And since in your follow up, you admit that you don't even think the flu was caused by the flu shot, you are especially irresponsible to suggest anyone skip the benefits of the flu shot because you apparently have the unbelievable, coincidental luck of getting an unrelated virus on the years you got the shot.

So, grow thicker skin, buy a lottery ticket, and stop posting ignorant advice unless you expect to be challenged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.

Huh? There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine is at least moderately helpful for all groups, and very helpful for many. There is plenty of evidence that the flu itself is deadly at worst, particularly for newborns and pregnant women.

All vaccines carry some risk of harm, but this is a very widely given shot, and we are not hearing about people dropping like flies from it!

Um yeah, that was the whole point of my post. The whole conflicting evidence thing. Get it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.

Huh? There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine is at least moderately helpful for all groups, and very helpful for many. There is plenty of evidence that the flu itself is deadly at worst, particularly for newborns and pregnant women.

All vaccines carry some risk of harm, but this is a very widely given shot, and we are not hearing about people dropping like flies from it!

Um yeah, that was the whole point of my post. The whole conflicting evidence thing. Get it?

Um no. Your post said that there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless or deadly. That is just not true, not conflicting with anything.

[Anonymous]

There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.

This is completely false information, PP. There is no such overwhelming evidence. Unless you can link to a peer reviewed scientific article that proves such, you are just making stuff up.

There are a few dangerously ignorant nannies posting here about vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Personally I hate flu shots, I'm not scared of needles of anything. I simple do not believe on it, I used to take shots every year and every single time I got sick and since I stopped taking it, I have not gotten sick, not even a bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.

Huh? There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine is at least moderately helpful for all groups, and very helpful for many. There is plenty of evidence that the flu itself is deadly at worst, particularly for newborns and pregnant women.

All vaccines carry some risk of harm, but this is a very widely given shot, and we are not hearing about people dropping like flies from it!

Um yeah, that was the whole point of my post. The whole conflicting evidence thing. Get it?

Um no. Your post said that there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless or deadly. That is just not true, not conflicting with anything.

PP no one is obligated to do your homework for you. Either do the work and know what you are talking about or keep your opinion to yourself. Several hundred thousand patients in every age group have been tested for vaccine efficacy in over 50 peer reviewed studies. Each study came to the same conclusion: the vaccine did not prevent transmission, reduce the number of ER visits or reduce the number of secondary pneumonia cases. These studies were peer reviewed again and looked at as a whole, with the same result. So, yes there is conflicting evidence all around.

You can find the research in The Cochrane Database. And, seriously, do not expect a response to your posts until you get off your lazy behind and look it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single time I have gotten a flu shot, I get the flu. Every year that I skip the shot, I don't get the flu.
Unless your child has a compromised immune system, it's not a big deal.

No you don't. You might get sick, it might even be a terrible cold, but it isn't the flu.

Yes. I. Do.
It's quite odd that you keep telling me what has and has not happened to me. I have been a nanny for 15 years. In those 15 years, I've had the flu shot 3 times. During those 3 flu seasons, I caught the flu. The other 7 years, I skipped the flu shot and did not get the flu.
I am in no way claiming that the shot caused my illness. I am definitely pro-vaccination. In my experience, getting the flu shot does not 100% prevent flu. It was absolutely Influenza. I've had a cold and food poisoning before...the flu feels ENTIRELY different.

7 + 3 = 10 sweetie, not 15.
The way you worded your initial post, it sounded like you blamed the shot for your flu.

Pardon my math. You read my initial post the way you wanted to.
Do you enjoy being an assh*** to complete strangers? Good luck to your family. I hope they survive you.

Why did you put stars instead of "ole"? Ass is the swear part of the word.
You said "Every single time I have gotten a flu shot, I get the flu. Every year that I skip the shot, I don't get the flu."
By your first post, flu shot = flu, no flu shot = no flu. FOR YOU. That sounds like claiming the shot caused the illness to me.
No one says getting the flu shot prevents the flu 100%.

[Anonymous]

The flu shot doesn't contain a live virus. It can't give you the flu.

I used to think as well that the years I got a flu shot, I ended up sick. Turned out to be simple coincidence.

OP if you didn't discuss and agree on this to start with, then you need to discuss it with her now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
There are valid concerns on both ends. On the one hand, the vaccine is backed by the CDC. Unfortunately 95% of the CDC's flu advisory panel has a financial interest in the production of the vaccine. One the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless at best and deadly at worst. Unfortunately, there are secondary illnesses that can develop from a compromised immune system that may not be captured in the data showing the vaccine to be ineffective.

I don't think any of us can know more then the people who spend their entire careers working on this stuff, and they even they are divided. So, it really is a matter of personal choice.


Huh? There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine is at least moderately helpful for all groups, and very helpful for many. There is plenty of evidence that the flu itself is deadly at worst, particularly for newborns and pregnant women.

All vaccines carry some risk of harm, but this is a very widely given shot, and we are not hearing about people dropping like flies from it!



Um yeah, that was the whole point of my post. The whole conflicting evidence thing. Get it?


Um no. Your post said that there is overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is worthless or deadly. That is just not true, not conflicting with anything.


PP no one is obligated to do your homework for you. Either do the work and know what you are talking about or keep your opinion to yourself. Several hundred thousand patients in every age group have been tested for vaccine efficacy in over 50 peer reviewed studies. Each study came to the same conclusion: the vaccine did not prevent transmission, reduce the number of ER visits or reduce the number of secondary pneumonia cases. These studies were peer reviewed again and looked at as a whole, with the same result. So, yes there is conflicting evidence all around.

You can find the research in The Cochrane Database. And, seriously, do not expect a response to your posts until you get off your lazy behind and look it up.

Not the poster you are citing, but I have absolutely done the research and I'm guessing you don't understand the limitations of meta analysis. It is not true that each study comes to the same conclusion. Furthermore, the conclusions you cite do not reflect the efficacy of the flu vaccine in properly vaccinated individuals.

Since you can't actually cite a single peer reviewed study to refute the AAP's most recent recommendations regarding flu shots, you have nothing to offer this thread.