Employers have NO right to DEMAND nanny to work overtime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course no one can force anyone to work overtime. Remember though that most nanny employers need someone to be flexible, especially the ones that pay in the top salary ranges.

Exactly. There is nothing illegal or abusive about telling a nanny that overtime with little notice is an expectation of the job, and that she'll need to be available until x time on a regular basis, even if her guaranteed hours end before that. The nanny can choose to take/stay in the job or not. For a nanny who does not have a family of her own to get home to, a variable departure time at night may not be a big deal most nights. When the nanny does have evening plans, she can simply notify the employer in advance that she needs to get out by x time on x day.

Why does OP assume that all nannies (except for her, apparently) are completely incapable of assessing and meeting their own needs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks nannies get taken advantaged of, is a fake.

Sock puppet post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks nannies get taken advantaged of, is a fake.

Sock puppet post.

You do see the obvious sarcasm, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not afraid at all. Not an mB and I'm a former nanny. But you post constantly thinking that you are some hero to the nanny world. In reality, the nannies who are allowing their bosses to walk all over them aren't going to stop because some bitter person on the internet with an inflated ego tells them its wrong. What those nannies need is a helpful way to learn to stand up to their MBs and not be afraid of losing their job or being treated like shit for standing up to them.

So true. Also, OP is not educating nannies. Every single post of hers is directed to MBs, lecturing them about things she assumes they do. If she really wanted to educate nannies, she would post links to laws on the books that protect nannies from being taking advantage of in the work place and how they should approach these issues with their employers in a constructive way. However, OP isn't interested in helping or educating.

OP is just a troll, stirring up trouble and making up fake stories.

+1000. This is the same poster who always claims to be giving nannies helpful information but none of it is based on the actual law so it actually is doing more harm than good.

Exactly! This is the sh*t stirrer that makes up stories, sock puppets her threads, and tries to engage anyone who disagrees with her by calling them names (dictator, ffn, cheap angry MB) and being rude. Can we all acknowledge that this is the same crazy who may or may not be a nanny, but she does not represent the majority of nannies here. She just poses as a million different people in an attempt to start flame wars. Lets stop feeding this troll, she's getting greedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not afraid at all. Not an mB and I'm a former nanny. But you post constantly thinking that you are some hero to the nanny world. In reality, the nannies who are allowing their bosses to walk all over them aren't going to stop because some bitter person on the internet with an inflated ego tells them its wrong. What those nannies need is a helpful way to learn to stand up to their MBs and not be afraid of losing their job or being treated like shit for standing up to them.

So true. Also, OP is not educating nannies. Every single post of hers is directed to MBs, lecturing them about things she assumes they do. If she really wanted to educate nannies, she would post links to laws on the books that protect nannies from being taking advantage of in the work place and how they should approach these issues with their employers in a constructive way. However, OP isn't interested in helping or educating.

OP is just a troll, stirring up trouble and making up fake stories.

+1000. This is the same poster who always claims to be giving nannies helpful information but none of it is based on the actual law so it actually is doing more harm than good.

Exactly! This is the sh*t stirrer that makes up stories, sock puppets her threads, and tries to engage anyone who disagrees with her by calling them names (dictator, ffn, cheap angry MB) and being rude. Can we all acknowledge that this is the same crazy who may or may not be a nanny, but she does not represent the majority of nannies here. She just poses as a million different people in an attempt to start flame wars. Lets stop feeding this troll, she's getting greedy.

I don't think any one individual can possibly have that much power around here. But if you insist, fine. I doubt anyone else cares as much as you do. Why do you keep responding if you feel like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course no one can force anyone to work overtime. Remember though that most nanny employers need someone to be flexible, especially the ones that pay in the top salary ranges.

How is the nanny not being forced to work OT when you come home an hour or two late, beyond the time she agreed to work? You think she should just leave your kids alone or drive them to the local police station (like they do in daycares), and let you get charged with neglect?

You think a nanny needs to be perpetually on call, until you determine that you've got all your shopping done?

No.

If you think you MIGHT be late on any given day, you ASK the nanny in advance if she is available to work late that day. She may very well have other commitments and obligations. Or she may be happy to cover for you, especially when you offer to double her regular hourly rates.

I know daycares where you pay a dollar a minute for being late. Nannies should have late fees to.

It is certainly not HER job to tell you everytime you are not allowed to be late. You need to be responsible here.

In the case of the best paid nannies, this is a nonissue. Hense their $100,000. to $200,000 per year salaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course no one can force anyone to work overtime. Remember though that most nanny employers need someone to be flexible, especially the ones that pay in the top salary ranges.

How is the nanny not being forced to work OT when you come home an hour or two late, beyond the time she agreed to work? You think she should just leave your kids alone or drive them to the local police station (like they do in daycares), and let you get charged with neglect?

You think a nanny needs to be perpetually on call, until you determine that you've got all your shopping done?

No.

If you think you MIGHT be late on any given day, you ASK the nanny in advance if she is available to work late that day. She may very well have other commitments and obligations. Or she may be happy to cover for you, especially when you offer to double her regular hourly rates.

I know daycares where you pay a dollar a minute for being late. Nannies should have late fees to.

It is certainly not HER job to tell you everytime you are not allowed to be late. You need to be responsible here.

In the case of the best paid nannies, this is a nonissue. Hense their $100,000. to $200,000 per year salaries.

I'm actually a nanny, not an employer who posted this. Of course I would never say leave the children alone or just be on call and you should be paid for every hour worked. But this is something that needs to be discussed and addressed at the beginning of a position and put in your work agreement. There is also a huge difference between being flexible and being "on call". One of the major reason's people choose to have a nanny is the flexibility. If you don't ever want to come in early or work late that's certainly your choice. However, this makes you a much less desirable candidate when interviewing. Btw, I wasn't talking about the 100-200k jobs, I was referencing the jobs that pay over $20/hr that all of you on this board are always bringing up. If you want an above average salary, you need to be an above average nanny and have something special to offer that makes people want to hire you. I have awesome employers that give me everything I asked for and/or wanted when job searching. Part of the package is that I offer my employers a lot of flexibility and in return get the same flexibility when I need to come in late or leave early. That being said, most weeks I work my regular schedule.

Maybe I have a different perspective because I've worked a full time professional office job and understand that sometimes things come up at the last minute. I've been all set to walk out the door at 4:30 and my supervisor give me work that needed to be finished by the next morning. It's just the way things happen sometime.

[Anonymous]

"Flexible" workers are usually paid accordingly. The more you are paid, the more "flexible" you become. Amazing how that works in every profession.

In other words, you get what you pay for.

[Anonymous]

...unless you're a slave girl.

[Anonymous]

This is really an area where individual families and nannies can avert all kinds of problems by being upfront. So the controversy is not really a matter of "my rights v. your rights"; its about compatibility Are the parents likely to need the nanny to stay longer some days, with little notice? They should state this upfront and make it clear that this is a possible need they have. The nanny should likewise make it clear how flexible she is and whether she can stay longer and under what circumstances, on what terms.

As long as both parties are OK with the situation, there is no issue. It's when no one is volunteering or being kind enough to ask these things in advance (or bring them up right away, when they become a factor) when there are all kinds of problems. It's common sense and decency, really, which not everyone has -- but people should.

There are people who want to work on a strict schedule with very few emergencies. There are people who want the extra hrs, esp. with overtime pay, and don't mind the overage. There are parents who can't pay more and will avoid extra hrs in all but an emergency, and those who can afford overtime and anticipate needing it. It all comes down to fit.

In general, my perspective as an MB is that if you are going to need flexibility, you need to make that clear, and you need to pay someone for ALL their time. If you really need someone to go above and beyond, that should be reflected in some "give" on your end from time to time, bonuses, etc.

[Anonymous]

Families who pay the highest rates, are the ones who get access to my "flexibility". Successful business people already know that, so they do what it takes to get what they want.
Win-win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not afraid at all. Not an mB and I'm a former nanny. But you post constantly thinking that you are some hero to the nanny world. In reality, the nannies who are allowing their bosses to walk all over them aren't going to stop because some bitter person on the internet with an inflated ego tells them its wrong. What those nannies need is a helpful way to learn to stand up to their MBs and not be afraid of losing their job or being treated like shit for standing up to them.

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not afraid at all. Not an mB and I'm a former nanny. But you post constantly thinking that you are some hero to the nanny world. In reality, the nannies who are allowing their bosses to walk all over them aren't going to stop because some bitter person on the internet with an inflated ego tells them its wrong. What those nannies need is a helpful way to learn to stand up to their MBs and not be afraid of losing their job or being treated like shit for standing up to them.

+10000

Awesome when two people (maybe) claim not to be afraid, not an mb and a former nanny. Even if 20 of your tribe jump on board with you, that's truly an astonishing accomplishment if you're on a campaign trail or waging a popularity contest. (I, for one, am interested in neither, thus you are barking up the wrong tree.) So you go for your it, whatever your "it" is. Your behavior here indicates that your "it" is trying to shut down everyone you don't like. Isn't there anything more productive you can find, or is this your ultimate "it"?


If you don't like a thread, why are you obsessively returning? Your inner conflict appears to be out of control here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have hired a nanny to work 7am to 7pm, you have NO right to make her stay until you feel like it.

You MUST ASK her IF
she is able to work later.

If she already has other obligations after her long workday for you, you must have other plans for your childcare.

You can beg your neighbors to help you out in a pinch. Of course that means you need to help them out to, once in a while (weekends or whatever).

You are right, you can't be compelled to work overtime. But I can make it a requirement of your employment and, if you refuse, I can fire you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have hired a nanny to work 7am to 7pm, you have NO right to make her stay until you feel like it.

You MUST ASK her IF
she is able to work later.

If she already has other obligations after her long workday for you, you must have other plans for your childcare.

You can beg your neighbors to help you out in a pinch. Of course that means you need to help them out to, once in a while (weekends or whatever).

You are right, you can't be compelled to work overtime. But I can make it a requirement of your employment and, if you refuse, I can fire you.

No one needs an excuse to quit or fire in an "at will" arrangement. You are more than welcome to fire nannies as often as you like and for any reason, or even no reason at all, provided they haven't already fled from you first.