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Anonymous wrote:PP said it was about having rules & rituals (“scenes”) as well as being submissive. And then also said there actually is some BM. Question is who is submissive in the bedroom.

So…very much like BDSM.

Semantics. My point is that while gender is mostly a social construct it's not entirely inextricable from biology either. Whether you're getting tied up or not, women, on avg, are attracted to guys who can take charge and having clearly defined roles of who is responsible for what is helpful for that.

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Anonymous wrote:PP said it was about having rules & rituals (“scenes”) as well as being submissive. And then also said there actually is some BM. Question is who is submissive in the bedroom.

So…very much like BDSM.

Semantics. My point is that while gender is mostly a social construct it's not entirely inextricable from biology either. Whether you're getting tied up or not, women, on avg, are attracted to guys who can take charge and having clearly defined roles of who is responsible for what is helpful for that.

Wanting to have the power taken away is an extremely common sexual fantasy. Whether it's some sort of role play where you're some low level employee that's been told to "earn that promotion", a prostitute fantasy, or even a rape fantasy. If you have any of those fantasies or a myriad of others where your power is being taken away, congrats, you're just kind of basic. But that's okay. Role play can be fun. That being said, you're conflating role play fantasy with real life. Someone might have a rape or prostitution fantasy but that doesn't mean that they literally want to be raped or a prostitute. When it comes to real life, people have dreams and goals that are rooted in reality, not fantasy. Many people want to do something they feel will make their life meaningful, whatever that means for themselves. For some people it's working a career. For others it's raising children and not working. None of this means that all or even most women want a power imbalance in their daily lives. If you get turned on by scrubbing the toilets every day and never having your husband do it, by all means go for it but I don't think that's a common thing people want. If you are aroused by having no job and spouse that has one then go for it but that doesn't mean everyone (or most people) want that. And sexual fantasy has it's place but it's not rooted in real life.

Anonymous wrote:PP said it was about having rules & rituals (“scenes”) as well as being submissive. And then also said there actually is some BM. Question is who is submissive in the bedroom.

So…very much like BDSM.

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Anonymous wrote:Women who sincerely believe that men are irrelevant and useless, and who are in an economic position to accurately say this, are a very small percentage of the overall population, maybe top 1-2%. 99% of women, ESPECIALLY of child bearing age, are not wealthy enough and will never be wealthy enough to comfortably care for children without outside help. The welfare state helps somewhat with this but at the end of the day nobody who makes the typical young single female salary of like 50k/yr can raise a family on that. Most women need men if they want kids, and even without kids most women are too poor to live a decent lifestyle without a second income. A few rich women bragging about their self made millions on here and dissing the male gender doesn’t change the cold hard truth that the average woman is broke AF.

Even then, men still predominately develop the technologies, fight the wars, do the dirty odd jobs, construction and other thankless jobs and work the law enforcement that make their lives so comfortable in the first place. These men are nameless and faceless to these corporate, rent seeking drones until they need them or something goes wrong though. Calling men irrelevant just shows how far up their own arses these women are. Congrats on making partner!!

Women perform the thankless jobs of childcare, nursing, cooking, teaching, cleaning and are the ones who give birth.

Why can’t we just admit that both genders perform essential tasks and more or less need one another to live a happy, healthy, prosperous life (outside of a few delusional elites who can insulate themselves from reality with $$$)

People perform essential tasks. They shouldn't be limited to certain tasks based on their sex organs.

But they aren't. There is no limitation. That doesn't mean certain things that are based on their sex organs are off limits. Being able to work out of the house doesn't mean you now can't work in the house anymore.

There is in “traditional gender roles”.

And out. According to you, the minute a mom thinks maybe she should make dinner, it's time to think about going out so she's not stuck in the house.

Just referring to the PP who explained that her and her DH have “traditional gender roles”. So in their case there are certain expectations and limitations. If there weren’t they wouldn’t be “traditional”.

I think you're conflating traditional with "expected" or "required". Who knows whether that's the case. It sounds like she likes being in that role -- whether because of social norms, biology, too many Disney movies, enjoying taking care of the family -- and it doesn't sound like she is confined at all.

If she is taking on non-traditional roles then she’s non-traditional. It’s confining by definition; there isn’t someone actually confining her. It’s how she has defined herself.

Woman you are referring to here. I use the word traditional because
- I cook most of the time
- Do most of the laundry
- Handle day to day logistics of the house
- I don’t like using the word submissive, but it is accurate, we have rules
- I make sure I am “presentable“ ever day.
- I defer to my husband on most major decisions out of trust but I also don’t need his permission to make decisions or spend money
- I have various roles in our relationship, wife, lover, friend, muse, sub
- I happily will say I am housewife
- I know my husbands preferences with just about everything and make sure they are met

Among other things

Are you ok doing this while your husband goes away on business trips and has sex with other women? Or men? This is how Ive seen many of these relationships work out. Or like the Stepford wives where they just become robots. Just because you do all these things doesn’t mean you get a loving faithful and high earning husband

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Anonymous wrote:PP said it was about having rules & rituals (“scenes”) as well as being submissive. And then also said there actually is some BM. Question is who is submissive in the bedroom.

So…very much like BDSM.

Semantics. My point is that while gender is mostly a social construct it's not entirely inextricable from biology either. Whether you're getting tied up or not, women, on avg, are attracted to guys who can take charge and having clearly defined roles of who is responsible for what is helpful for that.

Wanting to have the power taken away is an extremely common sexual fantasy. Whether it's some sort of role play where you're some low level employee that's been told to "earn that promotion", a prostitute fantasy, or even a rape fantasy. If you have any of those fantasies or a myriad of others where your power is being taken away, congrats, you're just kind of basic. But that's okay. Role play can be fun. That being said, you're conflating role play fantasy with real life. Someone might have a rape or prostitution fantasy but that doesn't mean that they literally want to be raped or a prostitute. When it comes to real life, people have dreams and goals that are rooted in reality, not fantasy. Many people want to do something they feel will make their life meaningful, whatever that means for themselves. For some people it's working a career. For others it's raising children and not working. None of this means that all or even most women want a power imbalance in their daily lives. If you get turned on by scrubbing the toilets every day and never having your husband do it, by all means go for it but I don't think that's a common thing people want. If you are aroused by having no job and spouse that has one then go for it but that doesn't mean everyone (or most people) want that. And sexual fantasy has it's place but it's not rooted in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:Women who sincerely believe that men are irrelevant and useless, and who are in an economic position to accurately say this, are a very small percentage of the overall population, maybe top 1-2%. 99% of women, ESPECIALLY of child bearing age, are not wealthy enough and will never be wealthy enough to comfortably care for children without outside help. The welfare state helps somewhat with this but at the end of the day nobody who makes the typical young single female salary of like 50k/yr can raise a family on that. Most women need men if they want kids, and even without kids most women are too poor to live a decent lifestyle without a second income. A few rich women bragging about their self made millions on here and dissing the male gender doesn’t change the cold hard truth that the average woman is broke AF.

Even then, men still predominately develop the technologies, fight the wars, do the dirty odd jobs, construction and other thankless jobs and work the law enforcement that make their lives so comfortable in the first place. These men are nameless and faceless to these corporate, rent seeking drones until they need them or something goes wrong though. Calling men irrelevant just shows how far up their own arses these women are. Congrats on making partner!!

Women perform the thankless jobs of childcare, nursing, cooking, teaching, cleaning and are the ones who give birth.

Why can’t we just admit that both genders perform essential tasks and more or less need one another to live a happy, healthy, prosperous life (outside of a few delusional elites who can insulate themselves from reality with $$$)

People perform essential tasks. They shouldn't be limited to certain tasks based on their sex organs.

But they aren't. There is no limitation. That doesn't mean certain things that are based on their sex organs are off limits. Being able to work out of the house doesn't mean you now can't work in the house anymore.

There is in “traditional gender roles”.

And out. According to you, the minute a mom thinks maybe she should make dinner, it's time to think about going out so she's not stuck in the house.

Just referring to the PP who explained that her and her DH have “traditional gender roles”. So in their case there are certain expectations and limitations. If there weren’t they wouldn’t be “traditional”.

I think you're conflating traditional with "expected" or "required". Who knows whether that's the case. It sounds like she likes being in that role -- whether because of social norms, biology, too many Disney movies, enjoying taking care of the family -- and it doesn't sound like she is confined at all.

If she is taking on non-traditional roles then she’s non-traditional. It’s confining by definition; there isn’t someone actually confining her. It’s how she has defined herself.

Woman you are referring to here. I use the word traditional because
- I cook most of the time
- Do most of the laundry
- Handle day to day logistics of the house
- I don’t like using the word submissive, but it is accurate, we have rules
- I make sure I am “presentable“ ever day.
- I defer to my husband on most major decisions out of trust but I also don’t need his permission to make decisions or spend money
- I have various roles in our relationship, wife, lover, friend, muse, sub
- I happily will say I am housewife
- I know my husbands preferences with just about everything and make sure they are met

Among other things

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Anonymous wrote:PP said it was about having rules & rituals (“scenes”) as well as being submissive. And then also said there actually is some BM. Question is who is submissive in the bedroom.

So…very much like BDSM.

Semantics. My point is that while gender is mostly a social construct it's not entirely inextricable from biology either. Whether you're getting tied up or not, women, on avg, are attracted to guys who can take charge and having clearly defined roles of who is responsible for what is helpful for that.

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So…very much like BDSM.

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Anonymous wrote:Women who sincerely believe that men are irrelevant and useless, and who are in an economic position to accurately say this, are a very small percentage of the overall population, maybe top 1-2%. 99% of women, ESPECIALLY of child bearing age, are not wealthy enough and will never be wealthy enough to comfortably care for children without outside help. The welfare state helps somewhat with this but at the end of the day nobody who makes the typical young single female salary of like 50k/yr can raise a family on that. Most women need men if they want kids, and even without kids most women are too poor to live a decent lifestyle without a second income. A few rich women bragging about their self made millions on here and dissing the male gender doesn’t change the cold hard truth that the average woman is broke AF.

Even then, men still predominately develop the technologies, fight the wars, do the dirty odd jobs, construction and other thankless jobs and work the law enforcement that make their lives so comfortable in the first place. These men are nameless and faceless to these corporate, rent seeking drones until they need them or something goes wrong though. Calling men irrelevant just shows how far up their own arses these women are. Congrats on making partner!!

Women perform the thankless jobs of childcare, nursing, cooking, teaching, cleaning and are the ones who give birth.

PP said it was about having rules & rituals (“scenes”) as well as being submissive. And then also said there actually is some BM. Question is who is submissive in the bedroom.

So…very much like BDSM.

Whatever gets you off.

Why can’t we just admit that both genders perform essential tasks and more or less need one another to live a happy, healthy, prosperous life (outside of a few delusional elites who can insulate themselves from reality with $$$)

People perform essential tasks. They shouldn't be limited to certain tasks based on their sex organs.

But they aren't. There is no limitation. That doesn't mean certain things that are based on their sex organs are off limits. Being able to work out of the house doesn't mean you now can't work in the house anymore.

There is in “traditional gender roles”.

And out. According to you, the minute a mom thinks maybe she should make dinner, it's time to think about going out so she's not stuck in the house.

Just referring to the PP who explained that her and her DH have “traditional gender roles”. So in their case there are certain expectations and limitations. If there weren’t they wouldn’t be “traditional”.

I think you're conflating traditional with "expected" or "required". Who knows whether that's the case. It sounds like she likes being in that role -- whether because of social norms, biology, too many Disney movies, enjoying taking care of the family -- and it doesn't sound like she is confined at all.

If she is taking on non-traditional roles then she’s non-traditional. It’s confining by definition; there isn’t someone actually confining her. It’s how she has defined herself.

Woman you are referring to here. I use the word traditional because
- I cook most of the time
- Do most of the laundry
- Handle day to day logistics of the house
- I don’t like using the word submissive, but it is accurate, we have rules
- I make sure I am “presentable“ ever day.
- I defer to my husband on most major decisions out of trust but I also don’t need his permission to make decisions or spend money
- I have various roles in our relationship, wife, lover, friend, muse, sub
- I happily will say I am housewife
- I know my husbands preferences with just about everything and make sure they are met

Among other things

What type of rules? Is this an extension of the bedroom roles?

I wouldn’t call it an extension to the bedroom, but similar dynamics. We have standards that we expect the other to respect. The rules are more known than spoken. There are certain actions or phrases that carry weight and indicate what ibis expected, required, needed. We have an understanding, if there is an item I need, buy it. If there is something I want, let him know and he will get it. No question asked either way. And he makes sure I always get what I want.

There are little things that others would probably be offended by, but I don’t mind and many of them I did before. Nails done every two weeks, certain height of heels, certain clothes, wax (just the bikini line as necessary), when we are alone we refer to each other as my wife/my husband accordingly, we have a couple set times for specific intimate activities each week.

Yes, sounds very BDSM. Whatever gets you off.

Not PP but it's not about BDSM. The underlying "reluctant truth" here is that the majority of women find differentiated power attractive. DCUM thinks that egalitarian relationships (similar age, two full incomes, equal domestic work, etc) is safer from the potential of dysfunctional power dynamics but o er the long-term they're not. Attraction in Very Egalitarian relationships look very different at year 1 vs year 10 and 2 kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Women who sincerely believe that men are irrelevant and useless, and who are in an economic position to accurately say this, are a very small percentage of the overall population, maybe top 1-2%. 99% of women, ESPECIALLY of child bearing age, are not wealthy enough and will never be wealthy enough to comfortably care for children without outside help. The welfare state helps somewhat with this but at the end of the day nobody who makes the typical young single female salary of like 50k/yr can raise a family on that. Most women need men if they want kids, and even without kids most women are too poor to live a decent lifestyle without a second income. A few rich women bragging about their self made millions on here and dissing the male gender doesn’t change the cold hard truth that the average woman is broke AF.

Even then, men still predominately develop the technologies, fight the wars, do the dirty odd jobs, construction and other thankless jobs and work the law enforcement that make their lives so comfortable in the first place. These men are nameless and faceless to these corporate, rent seeking drones until they need them or something goes wrong though. Calling men irrelevant just shows how far up their own arses these women are. Congrats on making partner!!

Women perform the thankless jobs of childcare, nursing, cooking, teaching, cleaning and are the ones who give birth.

Why can’t we just admit that both genders perform essential tasks and more or less need one another to live a happy, healthy, prosperous life (outside of a few delusional elites who can insulate themselves from reality with $$$)

People perform essential tasks. They shouldn't be limited to certain tasks based on their sex organs.

But they aren't. There is no limitation. That doesn't mean certain things that are based on their sex organs are off limits. Being able to work out of the house doesn't mean you now can't work in the house anymore.

There is in “traditional gender roles”.

And out. According to you, the minute a mom thinks maybe she should make dinner, it's time to think about going out so she's not stuck in the house.

Just referring to the PP who explained that her and her DH have “traditional gender roles”. So in their case there are certain expectations and limitations. If there weren’t they wouldn’t be “traditional”.

I think you're conflating traditional with "expected" or "required". Who knows whether that's the case. It sounds like she likes being in that role -- whether because of social norms, biology, too many Disney movies, enjoying taking care of the family -- and it doesn't sound like she is confined at all.

If she is taking on non-traditional roles then she’s non-traditional. It’s confining by definition; there isn’t someone actually confining her. It’s how she has defined herself.

Woman you are referring to here. I use the word traditional because
- I cook most of the time
- Do most of the laundry
- Handle day to day logistics of the house
- I don’t like using the word submissive, but it is accurate, we have rules
- I make sure I am “presentable“ ever day.
- I defer to my husband on most major decisions out of trust but I also don’t need his permission to make decisions or spend money
- I have various roles in our relationship, wife, lover, friend, muse, sub
- I happily will say I am housewife
- I know my husbands preferences with just about everything and make sure they are met

Among other things

What type of rules? Is this an extension of the bedroom roles?

I wouldn’t call it an extension to the bedroom, but similar dynamics. We have standards that we expect the other to respect. The rules are more known than spoken. There are certain actions or phrases that carry weight and indicate what ibis expected, required, needed. We have an understanding, if there is an item I need, buy it. If there is something I want, let him know and he will get it. No question asked either way. And he makes sure I always get what I want.

There are little things that others would probably be offended by, but I don’t mind and many of them I did before. Nails done every two weeks, certain height of heels, certain clothes, wax (just the bikini line as necessary), when we are alone we refer to each other as my wife/my husband accordingly, we have a couple set times for specific intimate activities each week.

Yes, sounds very BDSM. Whatever gets you off.

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Anonymous wrote:Women who sincerely believe that men are irrelevant and useless, and who are in an economic position to accurately say this, are a very small percentage of the overall population, maybe top 1-2%. 99% of women, ESPECIALLY of child bearing age, are not wealthy enough and will never be wealthy enough to comfortably care for children without outside help. The welfare state helps somewhat with this but at the end of the day nobody who makes the typical young single female salary of like 50k/yr can raise a family on that. Most women need men if they want kids, and even without kids most women are too poor to live a decent lifestyle without a second income. A few rich women bragging about their self made millions on here and dissing the male gender doesn’t change the cold hard truth that the average woman is broke AF.

Even then, men still predominately develop the technologies, fight the wars, do the dirty odd jobs, construction and other thankless jobs and work the law enforcement that make their lives so comfortable in the first place. These men are nameless and faceless to these corporate, rent seeking drones until they need them or something goes wrong though. Calling men irrelevant just shows how far up their own arses these women are. Congrats on making partner!!

Women perform the thankless jobs of childcare, nursing, cooking, teaching, cleaning and are the ones who give birth.

Why can’t we just admit that both genders perform essential tasks and more or less need one another to live a happy, healthy, prosperous life (outside of a few delusional elites who can insulate themselves from reality with $$$)

People perform essential tasks. They shouldn't be limited to certain tasks based on their sex organs.

But they aren't. There is no limitation. That doesn't mean certain things that are based on their sex organs are off limits. Being able to work out of the house doesn't mean you now can't work in the house anymore.

There is in “traditional gender roles”.

And out. According to you, the minute a mom thinks maybe she should make dinner, it's time to think about going out so she's not stuck in the house.

Just referring to the PP who explained that her and her DH have “traditional gender roles”. So in their case there are certain expectations and limitations. If there weren’t they wouldn’t be “traditional”.

I think you're conflating traditional with "expected" or "required". Who knows whether that's the case. It sounds like she likes being in that role -- whether because of social norms, biology, too many Disney movies, enjoying taking care of the family -- and it doesn't sound like she is confined at all.

If she is taking on non-traditional roles then she’s non-traditional. It’s confining by definition; there isn’t someone actually confining her. It’s how she has defined herself.

Woman you are referring to here. I use the word traditional because
- I cook most of the time
- Do most of the laundry
- Handle day to day logistics of the house
- I don’t like using the word submissive, but it is accurate, we have rules
- I make sure I am “presentable“ ever day.
- I defer to my husband on most major decisions out of trust but I also don’t need his permission to make decisions or spend money
- I have various roles in our relationship, wife, lover, friend, muse, sub
- I happily will say I am housewife
- I know my husbands preferences with just about everything and make sure they are met

Among other things

What type of rules? Is this an extension of the bedroom roles?

I wouldn’t call it an extension to the bedroom, but similar dynamics. We have standards that we expect the other to respect. The rules are more known than spoken. There are certain actions or phrases that carry weight and indicate what ibis expected, required, needed. We have an understanding, if there is an item I need, buy it. If there is something I want, let him know and he will get it. No question asked either way. And he makes sure I always get what I want.

There are little things that others would probably be offended by, but I don’t mind and many of them I did before. Nails done every two weeks, certain height of heels, certain clothes, wax (just the bikini line as necessary), when we are alone we refer to each other as my wife/my husband accordingly, we have a couple set times for specific intimate activities each week.

Yes, sounds very BDSM. Whatever gets you off.

Anonymous wrote:For the most part, women act like children when it suits them but want to be treated as an equal adult when it doesn't.