Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A car with self driving. What a sad day. What happened to loving to drive?

Shakes fist at cloud.

Teslas are for bad drivers, anyway. Now they have a car to show off that (lack of) skill.

So they help bad drivers? Sounds like a win for the other motorists on the roads.

Uh, no. That's not how you fix bad driving. You fix bad driving by LEARNING and developing skills. Or if you can't be helped, then public transportation and rideshares.

A Tesla doesn't "fix" bad drivers. It pacifies them and just puts their poor skills on blast.

No. Not worth it. Technology isn't there yet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A car with self driving. What a sad day. What happened to loving to drive?

Shakes fist at cloud.

Teslas are for bad drivers, anyway. Now they have a car to show off that (lack of) skill.

So they help bad drivers? Sounds like a win for the other motorists on the roads.

Anonymous wrote:A car with self driving. What a sad day. What happened to loving to drive?

Shakes fist at cloud.

Teslas are for bad drivers, anyway. Now they have a car to show off that (lack of) skill.

I wouldn't trust any automated vehicle.

Did you hear about the thousands of Roomba vacuums that were recently hacked by jokesters and were filming videos of people in private situations and posting them online?

They were yelling profanities at the people around them also using their speaker functions.

ha no.

I find these half measure autopilots way more stressful than actually just driving.

Level 2-3 FSD is worse experience in my opinion.

1) driving as human — if I see brake lights, I apply brakes: see my turn, turn the wheel.

2) Tesla “driving” - if I see brake lights, I have to evaluate “did FSD See those lights, is it applying brakes” EVERY TIME. Because I need to pay attention. THEN I may apply the brakes and turn wheel (and if you use FSD a LOT, those skills will atrophy). it needs human intervention about once a day. But you never know when that will be.

We either need FSD or humans driving. Shared dynamically adhoc responsibility for the car is way way worse.


The CyberCab at least improves on that by removing the steering wheel, so when it makes mistakes you just along for the ride.

I am a curmudgeon though; I don’t even use cruise control, and the radar following cruise control gives me the same hereby jeebies “is it braking??” Problem.

There is a one month free trial for a new tesla, also a monthly option for $99. The full price for the FSD is $8000, the monthly option will give you more than 6.5 years, so I would not pay the full price. I have a Tesla and I am not very impressed with the FSD.

Ask a friend to try out theirs. They don't have them at Tesla for test drives...because too much liability! When I tried it, it terrified me. Accelerated when my instinct was to brake, kept switching lanes, ugh!

A car with self driving. What a sad day. What happened to loving to drive?

Shakes fist at cloud.

I have it right now but not sure it’s worth it really. I like using the Autopark and it works well. The driving is very impressive and works well. It is cool to play with but since you have to pay close attention it is kind of just like driving but with less to do. Kind of boring and not much advantage

It's not fully self driving so no not until it is.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1107982.page
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1112868.page

Have you Googled Tesla and NHTSA?

Are you going to follow the instructions?

Interested in getting a Tesla, not sure if I should spring for the self driving package. If you have it, would you say it’s worth it?