The Dawn Project - Super Bowl Ad re: Tesla FSD Accidents

[Anonymous]

I’ll preface this with I am still hopeful for automated driving features. As someone with young kids, I would love for driving to become increasing safer by the time they’re teens. But this ad is jarring. I’m not sure FSD should be available to the general public yet. The video of it running right past a stopped school bus and mowing over kids in the cross walk was scary to see.


https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hits-child-sized-mannequins-stroller-super-bowl-attack-ad-2023-2

[Anonymous]

Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

The Dawn Project did the testing. The article says Business Insider reviewed driver’s view footage of the incidents to confirm that FSD was engaged at the time of the collisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

DAWN project isn't fly by night.

Testing has been done by others as well all showing the same.

Last month, a Tesla engineer testified that a 2016 demo in which the company claimed its car was driving itself was actually staged. Under oath in a court of law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

DAWN project isn't fly by night.

Testing has been done by others as well all showing the same.

Last month, a Tesla engineer testified that a 2016 demo in which the company claimed its car was driving itself was actually staged. Under oath in a court of law.

Links to this testing by others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

The Dawn Project did the testing. The article says Business Insider reviewed driver’s view footage of the incidents to confirm that FSD was engaged at the time of the collisions.

I'm sure that wasn't biased at all.

Any independent testing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

The Dawn Project did the testing. The article says Business Insider reviewed driver’s view footage of the incidents to confirm that FSD was engaged at the time of the collisions.

I'm sure that wasn't biased at all.

Any independent testing?

What do you believe their bias to be?

Here is the link to an article about the testimony from the Tesla engineer about Tesla’s self-driving demonstration video being staged.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/

[Anonymous]

Regulatory scrutiny.

Had said Tesla's “full self-driving” beta requires human intervention and therefore is not subject to its regulations on autonomous vehicles. Critics say Tesla was able to avoid state regulatory oversight by telling the DMV its FSD features do not make the cars autonomous.Oct 20, 2022

In front of congress 2022 - "autopilot and FSD as Level 2 systems “which require the constant monitoring and attention of the driver.” These features are “capable of performing some but not all of the Dynamic Driving Tasks (DDT) that can be performed by human drivers,” Patel (Musk's guy) notes. (That would seem to contradict Tesla’s overly optimistic branding of the product as “Full Self-Driving.”)

Then this happens He does not mention, however, that regulators and safety experts have spent years begging Tesla to add better driver monitoring to its cars. Musk has even admitted that crashes involving Autopilot stem from complacency but previously rejected his own engineers’ calls to add more robust driver monitoring to the company’s cars. Musk said at the time that the tech was “ineffective.”

Musk lies Tesla's are not relaible. Big surprise.

[Anonymous]

Almost every luxury brand now offers self-driving tech similar in capability to what was demonstrated in those ads and failed. I am sure if one did the same testing under the same conditions, you would end up with a similar video reel.

[Anonymous]

Musk lies we know that it is a fact.

Yes, the self driving feature for Tesla's has been studied.

So far you want to risk your families lives more power to you.

I sold mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regulatory scrutiny.

Had said Tesla's “full self-driving” beta requires human intervention and therefore is not subject to its regulations on autonomous vehicles. Critics say Tesla was able to avoid state regulatory oversight by telling the DMV its FSD features do not make the cars autonomous.Oct 20, 2022

In front of congress 2022 - "autopilot and FSD as Level 2 systems “which require the constant monitoring and attention of the driver.” These features are “capable of performing some but not all of the Dynamic Driving Tasks (DDT) that can be performed by human drivers,” Patel (Musk's guy) notes. (That would seem to contradict Tesla’s overly optimistic branding of the product as “Full Self-Driving.”)

Then this happens He does not mention, however, that regulators and safety experts have spent years begging Tesla to add better driver monitoring to its cars. Musk has even admitted that crashes involving Autopilot stem from complacency but previously rejected his own engineers’ calls to add more robust driver monitoring to the company’s cars. Musk said at the time that the tech was “ineffective.”

Musk lies Tesla's are not relaible. Big surprise.

Lol, remember when he threw the steel ball through the unbreakable window? Idiot.

[Anonymous]

I’ve heard the dawn testing had some questionable images. Frankly human drivers are very unsafe, we need multiple companies developing this technology, and I find the dawn project (really just one guy’s) vendetta and motives suspect. He has an interest in an alternate LiDAR software that he believes is safer, ok, why not push that instead of trying to get your your competitor banned? https://www.thedrive.com/news/controversy-erupts-over-video-of-fsd-tesla-striking-child-mannequin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard the dawn testing had some questionable images. Frankly human drivers are very unsafe, we need multiple companies developing this technology, and I find the dawn project (really just one guy’s) vendetta and motives suspect. He has an interest in an alternate LiDAR software that he believes is safer, ok, why not push that instead of trying to get your your competitor banned? https://www.thedrive.com/news/controversy-erupts-over-video-of-fsd-tesla-striking-child-mannequin

The core issue with the testing is that they don’t publish a failure rate. How many times did they run that same test in the same conditions?

Obviously running over one stroller is bad, but was that the result of running the test just once, ten times or ten thousand times?

Having some perspective about how well the tech performs would give a good indicator about how far Tesla are from perfecting the technology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

The Dawn Project did the testing. The article says Business Insider reviewed driver’s view footage of the incidents to confirm that FSD was engaged at the time of the collisions.

I'm sure that wasn't biased at all.

Any independent testing?

What do you believe their bias to be?

Here is the link to an article about the testimony from the Tesla engineer about Tesla’s self-driving demonstration video being staged.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/

They are building a competing product. Pretty massive bias there.

Testimony of one engineer is not independent testing. Has anyone actually done that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Musk lies we know that it is a fact.

Yes, the self driving feature for Tesla's has been studied.

So far you want to risk your families lives more power to you.

I sold mine.

Link?