Ruining our natural immunity

Anonymous
Sorry to be harsh but this isn’t an interesting discussion. At least, not the way OP has framed it. As a lifelong allergy sufferer, believe me I have done a lot of reading including about the proliferation of allergies in highly developed countries. I don’t get the impression OP has read anything much but she has then gone onto a public forum to posit a theory based on nothing much.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Before modern sanitation countless people used to die from bacterial infections and viruses that are easy to treat today. All that “natural immunity” didn’t prevent it at all.


This is the equivalent of someone who loves to say "our great grandmothers used to give birth in the middle of the field and go right back to work! pregnancy and childbirth aren't an illness, natural is best and medical intervention is evil!" without looking up what the mother/infant mortality rates used to be in those days.
Anonymous
All the sanitizing, bleach, lysol-ing is doing far, FARRRRR worse things to our immune systems than brief social distancing.
Anonymous
Why are you staying inside all the time?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be harsh but this isn’t an interesting discussion. At least, not the way OP has framed it. As a lifelong allergy sufferer, believe me I have done a lot of reading including about the proliferation of allergies in highly developed countries. I don’t get the impression OP has read anything much but she has then gone onto a public forum to posit a theory based on nothing much.


Well I mean, that’s your opinion. If the topic bores you, just don’t read - no need to wish sickness and death on OP and her family. I think the discussion is interesting, as do some medical professionals.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:All the sanitizing, bleach, lysol-ing is doing far, FARRRRR worse things to our immune systems than brief social distancing.



Riiiiight. Any chance you're an anit-vaxer?



Anonymous
Aren't there studies that show food allergies can be fixed by having someone take a form of poop in a pill or something. I recall there was also a correlation between having some types of worms and not developing food allergies.
Hugolk
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I think that you simply have to adhere to the universal rules: surface disinfection, face masks, self-isolation. This is the key to protecting yourself from illness)
Anonymous
I worry that if we all continue to overuse hand sanitizer all the time that there will be a rise in a some kind of superbug that is antibiotic resistant.
Anonymous
Most of us are getting out to the stores, pumping gas, doing some outdoor exercise, chatting (from a distance) with neighbors, etc.

Ha. We are getting plenty of germs. I'm actually a little sad that people don't seem to understand this because it really is very basic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Most of us are getting out to the stores, pumping gas, doing some outdoor exercise, chatting (from a distance) with neighbors, etc.

Ha. We are getting plenty of germs. I'm actually a little sad that people don't seem to understand this because it really is very basic.


Lol that’s so funny
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I worry that if we all continue to overuse hand sanitizer all the time that there will be a rise in a some kind of superbug that is antibiotic resistant.


By the time a person makes their way through the grocery store they have "contaminated" themselves. It is simply not possible to keep an environment like that germ free.

The cloth masks that people are wearing might be doing more harm than good. The chances of them touching a contaminated surface and then touching/adjusting their mask only brings contamination close up to their face and holds it there.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most of us are getting out to the stores, pumping gas, doing some outdoor exercise, chatting (from a distance) with neighbors, etc.

Ha. We are getting plenty of germs. I'm actually a little sad that people don't seem to understand this because it really is very basic.


Lol that’s so funny


Have you been outside? If not, you might want to take a little drive just to see what the rest of the world is up to.
Anonymous
Hi OP.

What you are describing is generally called the "hygiene hypothesis" and generally it says that because modern parents are able to clean their children and households more effectively, kids these days just aren’t exposed to the same level of germs as previous generations.

And generally, it's incorrect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448690/

https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/well/health/hygiene-hypothesis

What we have seen is a change in diet and other factors that has led to many changes, and which we'll never be able to get back.

"Time to abandon the hygiene hypothesis: new perspectives on allergic disease, the human microbiome, infectious disease prevention and the role of targeted hygiene"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4966430/

https://theconversation.com/if-being-too-clean-makes-us-sick-why-isnt-getting-dirty-the-solution-50572
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the sanitizing, bleach, lysol-ing is doing far, FARRRRR worse things to our immune systems than brief social distancing.



Riiiiight. Any chance you're an anit-vaxer?





Uh, not even close. I’d say the correlation is the opposite.
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