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2018 Mid-Atlantic ECNL (3 practices / 7 games a season)
McLean YSA BRYC Elite Academy Loudoun Virginia Development Academy Richmond United NC Fusion ECNL South Carolina United Carolina Rapids NCFC Youth Mid-Atlantic GDA (4 practices / 16 games a season) Sky Blue - PDA Penn Fusion Soccer Academy PA Classics Cedar Stars Academy FC Virginia Washington Spirit Academy - Baltimore Armour Washington Spirit Academy - Virginia Arlington Soccer Association ECNL and DA dang near the same cost....yet |
Anonymous
"not anti-DA", I think the players and parents are doing the pros/cons list and have been for a while. Even if they sound like the aren't. I think they understand the commitment. Just discussing it here, shows that some thought is being put into it the decision. We are listening to and reading from different sources trying to assign appropriate value to the sources/statements as well as the outcomes of others (over a very short time frame) applied to what we think. Hearing that some coaches/clubs and really zealous parents are often on these boards, it makes me wonder if there is some quasi-astroturfing going on.. maybe not, but instead of wishing players good luck, there certainly is a lot of odd bashing going on.
I think i hear this question phrased in a different way "Will I stagnate if I stay where I am (non-DA) and if so, why do i think that?". And then they look realistically at their current training and opportunities and compare.
Loving the game more because you understand stats of getting to NT? Stretch goals of the imagination of the youth are great. I think girls at this age get that it's a long shot.
Really? I think they might be made in the similar way, honestly.. some buy for the biggest size they can fit for lowest price, some value MHz response, some thinness of width and bezel, some based off name brand.. but i think you really mean "spec" benefits.. let's look specs provided by each vendor and see what they say the at benefits are: http://www.ussoccerda.com/overview-program-benefits vs http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/about-ecnl/ vs https://www.edpsoccer.com/aboutedp vs http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/about/ vs http://www.odsl.org/odsl-procedures vs https://www.vapremierleague.com/page/show/2802833-league-history that's all there really is on paper from them. the rest is an educated WAG. Then we observe some games, the coaching, the players and we actually try some training sessions, kicking the tires around... We listen to the salesman's pitch when we talk to the coaches and talk to parents IRL and online read the reviews sorting out between the 1 star ratings or the 5 stars based on totally different expectations and experiences... Did you see that "DA about" page. Someone really put some thought into putting it all pretty(people like pretty infographic-y type stuff) and with content down on paper... The ECNL one has good info too.. We hope we realize the we are looking at is the manufacturers Demo Mode designed to easily showcase the benefits. As for the spend, I see girls who want to excel and are doing extra work outside their clubs, doing futsal, skills training, few doing video analysis, fewer doing strength, speed and agility, and even fewer doing nutrition.. if only someone packaged it all up with coordination to try to get the best for a great player...
If your child dreams about playing for the first team or professionally and they can play now and have the grit ... friends ? I would hope that teammates become friends and bond and challenge each other to be better and everyone dreams of being on the first team, even if it's a small shot... you never know.. As for DA going younger.. I thought the goal was to get more professionalized coaching and training into the younger ages, so that we could be a nation of better footballers... skilled with speed and physicality, instead of just speed and physicality. I've been listening and watching with real intensity the last 4 years as folks started leaving clubs and joining others trying to get the dirt on development, fit, values and sorting it all out for what it's worth. The DA added to the fire and I am okay with that as it gives my daughter more opportunity to achieve. |
Anonymous
Our Ecnl cost also included national showcases, and 7 tournaments which will get the game count close to even. If your point is that both leagues have more than their share of crappy teams - good point. |
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All you need to do to get recruited - 1) be a really good player, the type your college of choice is looking for 2) record game footage of you being a really good player 3) attend a college summer camp and prove you're a really good player in front of coaching staff. 4) or, just send in the video of you being the amazing player that you are - someone will look at 5 minutes of it, and if they like it, they will watch the rest.
If you really are all that, you don't need to spend all the money and time with the expensive youth soccer rigmarole. If you are NOT all that but a level below, then you have to do all this other stuff to "Get Noticed" because you blend into the crowd. |
Anonymous
not quite sure what your point is with this post. in any event, this is an apples to oranges comparison, you'd have to rack up separately league games, tournaments, showcases to get the game totals right. ECNL will play 8 league games per season but does more tournaments. In the end, DA has more practice time, and probably a few more games. DA basic costs are (proportionately?) higher... ~$3500 vs $2000-2300 at ECNL. Hard to compare travel costs. In the end, both are expensive, but I think DA is a bit higher. Pick your poison. |
Anonymous
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32 league games vs 16 league games.
DA may cost a little more..but you certainly you get a lot more. Like 16 more games and 50 or so more practices a year. If you like ECNL then stay with it. No sweat off my back. But if you are basing your decesion on cost...dont. ECNL as the top league in Northern Virginia is over for 04's and below. Heck, ECNL is half of what it was a year ago...and it will be half of that next year....and the trend will not reverse |
Anonymous
I think you missed CESA (current Mid Atlantic team) and the Wilmington Hammerheads (recently added as a Mid Atlantic team)............. and I would not be surprised to see 1 more team added to make this a 12 team conference. |
Anonymous
They can add however many teams they want. They are not going to play more games.. Mid atlantic ECNL already has more teams then mid Atlantic DA and they play half the games. |
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Let't try to get the facts right. Just looking at the 2017 Atlantic division fall GDA schedule for U-15, it looks to me like teams played 11 in-conference games, and 5 additional games against out of conference teams in a showcase environment. GDA has one stop shopping for stats to make this easy to see. ECNL is harder to track since tournament games do not appear or count in league play and some teams are more active than others. I would venture a guess that most ECNL clubs played in two fall tournaments, so figure 6 more games for a total of 13. There is some fuzz on this of course and clearly GDA plays more games, but its not double. |
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Out of conference league play doesn't equate to showcase. So yeah...about double...hard to believe huh.
DA is better value. But by all means..carry on |
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Arlington’s tier 1 (red team) U15 fees for this past year, playing CCL not GDA: $3000 to $3200, with travel expenses not included. http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/wp-content/upl...L-TIS_15U_tier_1.pdf ALl of these high end clubs are expensive. |
Anonymous
...3 "tournament" style games is a good thing in your mind for player development? DA doesn't allow more than 2 game in 2 days. ECNL I think only does that at the championships? I've never been to a tournament even since things went to 1 game a day for 3 days, where the 3rd game was anything more than walking wounded playing a 80% of the pace of the first game. Tournaments and showcases are not helpful to development. They're helpful for recruiting (for the first 2 games at least since most college scouts bail on day 3, or spend the day visiting u18 games to "look in" on their already committed players. And they're helpful for funding the host clubs' budget. ECNL solved a huge problem. It took control of the industry away from the state associations and big tournament operators, and put the control more in the hands of actual clubs. But then it got too big, too commercialized, and too cocky. And it has now become desperate in signing more clubs just to maintain their business (which is their events). It's still for now a better league competitively than anything regional, but if the DMV clubs ever re-group and join NPL, EDP, CCL, NCSL D1 into 1 regional league, that league will be as strong as any other in the country outside of the DA. |
Anonymous
I think the original debate was about value, not quality per se. But to answer your question, if you buy the DA mantra, games are not about development really. The 3 games in two days is definitely more taxing than the 3 games in 4 days like DA does. Strictly speaking the DA package is going to be better in this regard but is it a good trade of time/cost for development? I don't think it is more important than that 4th practice for most girls. Although really, I think many girls, if they were motivated, would do better with taking one of those practices and doing more focused technical training. Four times a week definitely puts the squeeze on doing anything outside the team practices. With regard to the local and regional clubs coalescing into one, I am not holding my breath for that even as tantalizing as it might be. The last ten years has seen youth soccer go exactly the other direction towards more leagues, and more change. |
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I would like to see the following
McLean and BRYC 02/01 combine with WS BRYC 03 move entire team to WS. McLean 04 / BRYC 04 combine with WS Cant a person dream...LOL |