Trump announces policy banning transgender military service

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do others countries have no problems with transgender people serving in the military? 19 countries have openly serving trans service members.

Please, those of you who think this is a HUGE problem. What are these countries doing wrong that they aren't experiencing it as a problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_and_military_service


Because the military is full of backwater morons who can't handle it. They have to dumb everything down for them.


The military isn't the problem here. The military seems to be just fine with transgender people. It's Trump and the far right idiots he's pandering to who have and are the problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.


DP here:
I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.


DP here:
I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.


I've kissed a girl and I liked it. I have zero hate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.


DP here:
I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.


I've kissed a girl and I liked it. I have zero hate.


But yet trans people shouldn't be allowed to serve because you're paranoid that your husband might fall in love with one on the battlefield....?

You do realize how crazy and paranoid you sound, right? God help us if you're an accurate representative of the average military family.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.


DP here:
I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.


I've kissed a girl and I liked it. I have zero hate.


What's funny to me is that you don't understand we are at war on many fronts, with soldiers dying. I am waiting for spouse's welcome home parade--but can't even count from which front, war or effort. Not that the American public is very cognizant of many of them. Meanwhile, this is the debate. I'm proud the military was at the vanguard of racial integration and now of gender, but it should not come at the cost of war-fighting which is its charge. Trans, which is the smallest of the smallest percentages of those serving, will happen with time, but President Obama did not mediate it well. This is the consequence.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.


DP here:
I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.


I've kissed a girl and I liked it. I have zero hate.


What's funny to me is that you don't understand we are at war on many fronts, with soldiers dying. I am waiting for spouse's welcome home parade--but can't even count from which front, war or effort. Not that the American public is very cognizant of many of them. Meanwhile, this is the debate. I'm proud the military was at the vanguard of racial integration and now of gender, but it should not come at the cost of war-fighting which is its charge. Trans, which is the smallest of the smallest percentages of those serving, will happen with time, but President Obama did not mediate it well. This is the consequence.


Can you please clarify WHO decided to make it a point of debate today?
Thanks!

Ps - like a lost puppy, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for. [/quot,e]

I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


So, in no particular order:

1. How does your DH feel about trasgender people in the military?
2. How long go was his affair?
3. Isn't your real problem women in general, and not transgendered women specifically?
4. Do you usually blame problems in your marriage on the other woman/man?
5. You do realize that the Japanese ran into us in the pacific, right?
6. What's your stance onViagrraain the military. Funds diverted plus enables cheating, amirite?
7. How many times a day, on average, do you say, I'm not a bigot, but...

TIA for you answers!

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for.


I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate.


Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.


DP here:
I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?"
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.


I've kissed a girl and I liked it. I have zero hate.


But yet trans people shouldn't be allowed to serve because you're paranoid that your husband might fall in love with one on the battlefield....?

You do realize how crazy and paranoid you sound, right? God help us if you're an accurate representative of the average military family.


Your over interpretation of what I stated was interesting. I am not anti trans and I would like the military to focus on M-F integration in combat (as mandated by Obama) for now. Am I worried about my spouse? Sure, if that makes you happy. Plenty of generals have cheated, so why not my spouse. More concerned about the fact that the 18-19 year olds serving are being asked to behave as if they are not in college dorms- where as I recall we all f'd each other in a free love fest-but do ask them to live as if they are, while fighting wars. Are you aware that there are not his/her dorms, showers, toilets in the combat field? As uncomfortable as my daughter may be bathing in front of a man, my son might be uncomfortable bathing in front of your daughter, not to mention trans. Why not let the military sort this one out, before diving into trans politics? I love the show Transparent, but I love it because it doesn't present gender as a facile, easy path.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .


You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for. [/quot,e]

I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.


So, in no particular order:

1. How does your DH feel about trasgender people in the military?
2. How long go was his affair?
3. Isn't your real problem women in general, and not transgendered women specifically?
4. Do you usually blame problems in your marriage on the other woman/man?
5. You do realize that the Japanese ran into us in the pacific, right?
6. What's your stance onViagrraain the military. Funds diverted plus enables cheating, amirite?
7. How many times a day, on average, do you say, I'm not a bigot, but...

TIA for you answers!



#7 invalidated your questions, Especially as the stance of your ilk is to say only bigots say I'm not a bigot--see the logical fallacy? Bye Felicia.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
There are transgender members of the military now. Yet, the institution is not collapsing.


And, it is highly unlikely that they are serving at firebases. We have a long way to go to work out the issues before this can happen. For example, women are not on firebases (rare exceptions, if any). So, if you are a transgender male would you be allowed to serve there? A transgender female? You don't understand the problems with this in very, very tight quarters? Ask most war vets--boredom, fear, and the day to day monotony are some of the biggest issues.

There is a lot to be worked out first. Society is still having trouble with this. Let is go first.


Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.


No, DC person. You live at the epicenter of the paper Military.

The war fighters don't live in DC.


WTF are you talking about? A lot of war fighters do live in DC. You obviously aren't one of them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
There are transgender members of the military now. Yet, the institution is not collapsing.


And, it is highly unlikely that they are serving at firebases. We have a long way to go to work out the issues before this can happen. For example, women are not on firebases (rare exceptions, if any). So, if you are a transgender male would you be allowed to serve there? A transgender female? You don't understand the problems with this in very, very tight quarters? Ask most war vets--boredom, fear, and the day to day monotony are some of the biggest issues.

There is a lot to be worked out first. Society is still having trouble with this. Let is go first.


Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.


No, DC person. You live at the epicenter of the paper Military.

The war fighters don't live in DC.


WTF are you talking about? A lot of war fighters do live in DC. You obviously aren't one of them.


Oh Lort.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
There are transgender members of the military now. Yet, the institution is not collapsing.


And, it is highly unlikely that they are serving at firebases. We have a long way to go to work out the issues before this can happen. For example, women are not on firebases (rare exceptions, if any). So, if you are a transgender male would you be allowed to serve there? A transgender female? You don't understand the problems with this in very, very tight quarters? Ask most war vets--boredom, fear, and the day to day monotony are some of the biggest issues.

There is a lot to be worked out first. Society is still having trouble with this. Let is go first.


Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.


No, DC person. You live at the epicenter of the paper Military.

The war fighters don't live in DC.


WTF are you talking about? A lot of war fighters do live in DC. You obviously aren't one of them.


Oh Lort.


Oh Lort what?
Anonymous
I'm a Veteran and I think this was a reasonable policy change.

Transgender persons, in my observations (admittedly only a few, in the last couple years before I separated from service) have a negative effect on small unit cohesion and moral, especially with younger enlisted personnel.

I have no issue with transgendered persons, I just don't think they belong in the military, because they have detrimental effect on other members who serve with them. I've seen this firsthand, and no amount of study-citing or name calling will convince me otherwise.

Unless you've served, frankly, your opinion isn't even valid.
rebecca99
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I hope the government will focus more on things that truly matter not on shallow things that irritates equality.
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