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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time :(.[/quote] You are wrong on several counts. The previous administration launched a comprehensive planning process which was due to end this month. The current administration delayed the implementation of the plan. The actual fiat occurred this morning on Twitter. As far as touching it goes, several senators, including Republicans, couldn't wait to touch it today. I assume that you know that just last week the Republican-dominated House voted against cutting funding for Transgender surgeries for military members. Trump went well beyond what even the hardliners were hoping for. [/quote] I am the PP. I don't like what Trump did, but I don't like what President Obama did. My spouse was throughout and continues to be active duty military. I would like the military to be a great place for our daughter to serve, a great rape free (or highly consequence behavior--which it isn't in America at large btw) for both men and women (men get raped too in the military). I like the idea that trans may bring something special to the table. I watch Billions and "They" scares the #@& out of me and I'd love to set They on the enemy. However, I also like the idea of spouse currently focused on war fighting, well supplied, not deliberating over his/hers/theirs shower arrangements in the field and I am personally uncomfortable with co-berthing. If I were in the field and could die the next day the person next to me, even if not the subject of my marriage vows, might form a special bond and be extremely tempting. I think the military currently has its hands completely full with integrating women. The changes under President Obama were quick, by fiat, and unrelenting. There seems to be endless money for trainings to support them. Meanwhile, military ships are crashing in the Pacific and military airplanes are falling out of the sky. Where is the training and supplies for these? Enough. I don't like what Trump did but I don't like what Obama did either. Both are all or nothing guys. Again, where is our person who mediates? I think Obama set us back, and Trump is a reaction that does as well. Another sad day for America, but not completely unpredictable.[/quote] Okay, so your're worried your spouse might fall in love with a trans person in the field? And that's why we should implement discriminatory policy? Pretty sure trans people aren't causing military planes to fall out of the sky either. I just can't follow this argument anywhere that doesn't lead to hate. [/quote] Yes, I'm worried about ramifications on spouse, family and military fighting strength infrastructure of rapid, mandated change on an unforeseen scale. I do not hate trans folk, or gays, or women, or men, or minorities, or non-minorities.[/quote] DP here: I read your initial post and I was left chuckling and saying "WTF?" If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... The irony here is that you actually do THINK you don't hate gays, trans, etc. But having to interact with them on a daily basis? Yucky.[/quote] I've kissed a girl and I liked it. I have zero hate.[/quote] What's funny to me is that you don't understand we are at war on many fronts, with soldiers dying. I am waiting for spouse's welcome home parade--but can't even count from which front, war or effort. Not that the American public is very cognizant of many of them. Meanwhile, this is the debate. I'm proud the military was at the vanguard of racial integration and now of gender, but it should not come at the cost of war-fighting which is its charge. Trans, which is the smallest of the smallest percentages of those serving, will happen with time, but President Obama did not mediate it well. This is the consequence.[/quote] Can you please clarify WHO decided to make it a point of debate today? Thanks! Ps - like a lost puppy, you're barking up the wrong tree.[/quote]
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