Obama to take Executive Action regarding Gun Control

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[Post New]01/02/2016 16:44
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Anonymous wrote:This is a great way to drive gun sales up.

Agreed. Also, I imagine that the Republican candidates are overjoyed with this.
[Post New]01/02/2016 17:03
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PaleoConPrep wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
PaleoConPrep wrote:None of this matters. When Cruz is elected President, Obamas legacy will be history. Maybe Obama can work for the UN.


When Cruz is elected President, we will have handed the country over to corporate plutocrats and the Constitution will no longer matter.


The Constitution doesn't mean a damn thing to hussein Obama. Cruz is a Constitutionalist. After Nov 8, Hillary will finally retire.


A "Constitutionalist?"

LMAO! He caused the government to shut down because he evidently wasn't aware of the fact that the Constitution is about keeping the government UP AND RUNNING.

Yeah, he's a real expert on the Constitution all right - so much so that he's out there trying to repeal "unconstitutional" laws that don't even exist, like Common Core. There's no federal law behind Common Core to repeal. It's a state initiative. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/knowledge-bank/2015/03/17/sorry-ted-cruz-you-cant-repeal-common-core-but-you-can-contain-it

Cruz a Constitutionalist? Puh-leeeze. Don't make me laugh. Cruz only trots around the word "Constitution" as a symbol but has already demonstrated repeatedly he doesn't give a shit about what the Constitution actually says.
[Post New]01/02/2016 17:06
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a great way to drive gun sales up.

Agreed. Also, I imagine that the Republican candidates are overjoyed with this.


They might wanna take note of the fact that the EO is all about placing extra scrutiny on businesses doing high volume sales. So as you go out and ammo up because you're fearful of the Black Man in the White House, realize the gubmint already got your number and will know where all of you ammosexual nutcases live
[Post New]01/02/2016 17:43
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PaleoConPrep wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
PaleoConPrep wrote:None of this matters. When Cruz is elected President, Obamas legacy will be history. Maybe Obama can work for the UN.

When Cruz is elected President, we will have handed the country over to corporate plutocrats and the Constitution will no longer matter.

The Constitution doesn't mean a damn thing to hussein Obama. Cruz is a Constitutionalist. After Nov 8, Hillary will finally retire.

NP. OK, let's bet on it. If Hillary Clinton is elected President in 2016, then you stop posting in the DCUM political forum for the entire year of 2017. If anyone else buy Hillary Clinton is elected, I will stop posting in the DCUM political forum for the entire year of 2017. Do we have a bet? Or are you all talk and no action?
[Post New]01/02/2016 18:23
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Some have also proposed that the White House use its control of federal contracts to pressure gun manufacturers from selling certain large capacity ammo clips and certain weapons on the civilian market. Basically say to the weapons manufacturers, you've got a choice -- play ball on this or risk losing Pentagon, FBI, Homeland Security contracts.
[Post New]01/02/2016 18:28
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PaleoConPrep wrote:You can keep lying to yourselves. The GOP nomination will come down to Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. Trump and Cruz will team up and destroy Rubio. Then one of 2 things will happen
1. Cruz agrees to be Trumps VP, creating Trump/Cruz ticket.
2. Trump and Cruz go after each other. If this happens, Cruz will come out the winner.
Sorry, but the establishment is not stealing the nomination again. I will save the link to this thread. So when it's either a Trump/Cruz ticket or Cruz gets the nomination, I can laugh at you guys.

Oh and by the way, Obama using this Executive Order will only anger conservatives more( this will be a huge help to Cruz and Trump)


Conservatives are a distinct minority in this country. The nation is center-left. Republicans have won exactly one presidential election in the last 24 years. So, excuse me for shrugging if conservatives get angry -- it's immaterial.
[Post New]01/02/2016 18:32
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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this the president when, as a candidate for the office of presidency, criticized GWB for executive actions?
Isn’t this the president who campaigned on a promise to not circumvent Congress and govern by executive privilege?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsRfrcit05M


Yes to both. However, if Congress won't work with you in general, especially on something that the majority of Americans of both parties say they want (e.g., background checks) then you use the tools you have to achieve what you can.

I'm sorry, were you trying to create a "Read my lips, no new taxes!" moment?

Some of us take a slightly more realistic view of our politics.



So, in other words, if a president does not get what he wants, he issues executive actions?
That’s not the way our government is designed.
Obama has not worked with Congress. His MO has been - outline what he wants and if he doesn’t get it, he finds a way around the law. Even if it’s unconstitutional.


Buzz. Thank you for playing "I don't understand how my government works!"

The President wants to achieve X. He proposed it to Congress. If Congress won't cooperate with him, then he still has the power to issue Executive Orders, which govern how the Executive Branch of the government operates. Thus, he can issue an EO that says, "The Federal government will operate in accordance with X."

Congress has a couple of options at that point. They can add a provision to a bill that the President really wants to pass saying that no executive agency can spend any of its budget implementing X - forcing the President to choose between competing priorities, or if they believe the EO exceeds the Presidents authority then the go to the this branch of the government and get the courts to rule on whether the EO is violating the law or otherwise unconstitutional.

Now go back to Social Studies.


Or, the president can actually work with Congress. You know, build relationships, talk with the leaders, etc.
And, we have seen that Obama’s EO’s do tend to violate our laws - e.g. his EO regarding immigration.
It will be interesting to see what he thinks he can accomplish with an EO regarding gun control.
It will likely be a “feel good” move to make his supporters think that he has tried to do something, but will accomplish little.
Or, he could go full hog and make a move that oversteps his authority. Wouldn’t put this past him either.


How do you work with this?
[Post New]01/02/2016 18:57
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a great way to drive gun sales up.

Agreed. Also, I imagine that the Republican candidates are overjoyed with this.


They might wanna take note of the fact that the EO is all about placing extra scrutiny on businesses doing high volume sales. So as you go out and ammo up because you're fearful of the Black Man in the White House, realize the gubmint already got your number and will know where all of you ammosexual nutcases live


Go ahead, go and stock up on extra guns and ammo!

[Post New]01/03/2016 01:14
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PaleoConPrep
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We have a bet! I'll make it even better. If Hillary is elected, I'll NEVER post on DCUM again.
[Post New]01/03/2016 09:18
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PaleoConPrep wrote:You can keep lying to yourselves. The GOP nomination will come down to Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. Trump and Cruz will team up and destroy Rubio. Then one of 2 things will happen
1. Cruz agrees to be Trumps VP, creating Trump/Cruz ticket.
2. Trump and Cruz go after each other. If this happens, Cruz will come out the winner.
Sorry, but the establishment is not stealing the nomination again. I will save the link to this thread. So when it's either a Trump/Cruz ticket or Cruz gets the nomination, I can laugh at you guys.

Oh and by the way, Obama using this Executive Order will only anger conservatives more( this will be a huge help to Cruz and Trump)


Conservatives are a distinct minority in this country. The nation is center-left. Republicans have won exactly one presidential election in the last 24 years. So, excuse me for shrugging if conservatives get angry -- it's immaterial.


You're an idiot. Who has the Congress, the majority of governorships, and the majority of State legislatures? Republicans. Conservatives are far from a "distinct minority" America is not center-left. It's smack dab in the center. Obama won the last two elections for 2 reasons.
1. His race
2. His opponents were RINOS
It will be Cruz vs. Clinton in 2016, and Ted Cruz will be our next POTUS.
[Post New]01/03/2016 10:42
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Anonymous
PaleoConPrep wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
PaleoConPrep wrote:You can keep lying to yourselves. The GOP nomination will come down to Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. Trump and Cruz will team up and destroy Rubio. Then one of 2 things will happen
1. Cruz agrees to be Trumps VP, creating Trump/Cruz ticket.
2. Trump and Cruz go after each other. If this happens, Cruz will come out the winner.
Sorry, but the establishment is not stealing the nomination again. I will save the link to this thread. So when it's either a Trump/Cruz ticket or Cruz gets the nomination, I can laugh at you guys.

Oh and by the way, Obama using this Executive Order will only anger conservatives more( this will be a huge help to Cruz and Trump)


Conservatives are a distinct minority in this country. The nation is center-left. Republicans have won exactly one presidential election in the last 24 years. So, excuse me for shrugging if conservatives get angry -- it's immaterial.


You're an idiot. Who has the Congress, the majority of governorships, and the majority of State legislatures? Republicans. Conservatives are far from a "distinct minority" America is not center-left. It's smack dab in the center. Obama won the last two elections for 2 reasons.
1. His race
2. His opponents were RINOS
It will be Cruz vs. Clinton in 2016, and Ted Cruz will be our next POTUS.


Republican Governorships and state legislatures = Conservatives control the areas of least population.

Conservatives DO NOT have the overall numbers nationally.

The only reason McCain Romney, Trump have gotten as far as they did is BECAUSE they are 'RINOs' as you want to put it. They got to where they are because they are moderates. A far right conservative like Cruz will not get the support needed as the far right doesn't have enough of a base. There are lots of Republicans who would sooner vote for Clinton than Cruz.
[Post New]01/03/2016 12:23
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PaleoConPrep
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A Republican would NEVER vote for Clinton. Those who would should become Democrats. I don't want them in my party.
[Post New]01/03/2016 12:39
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Anonymous
PaleoConPrep wrote:A Republican would NEVER vote for Clinton. Those who would should become Democrats. I don't want them in my party.


Thanks for sharing.
[Post New]01/03/2016 13:05
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Anonymous wrote:
PaleoConPrep wrote:None of this matters. When Cruz is elected President, Obamas legacy will be history. Maybe Obama can work for the UN.


Rafael, can you go find something better to do -- other than exploiting your children as political props?


How can an assh#e born in Canada constitutionally become president? I get that the assh#e status is not a disqualification, but the foreign born part is.
[Post New]01/03/2016 13:06
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Anonymous
PaleoConPrep wrote:A Republican would NEVER vote for Clinton. Those who would should become Democrats. I don't want them in my party.


Fortunately or unfortunately, you are not the GOP party police. Some people will vote party line from birth til death, but many others will vote for what they perceive as the best candidate, which is ideally in their party but sometimes is not.
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