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[Post New]11/02/2015 18:58
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Anonymous
I knew there had to be more to the recalls - to destroy a company using global warming as an excuse is hella bullshit. This is really about unions and revenge over Volkswagen not supporting Obama's green agenda:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140214/OEM01/140219901/obama-weighs-in-on-contentious-union-vote-at-volkswagen-plant

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/volkswagen-lobbied-obama-administration-for-green-tax-credits/

Yet GM, aka 'Government Motors' recall of their ignition switches directly led to the deaths of people, and escaped with a fine and no charges filed.


Just gross.
[Post New]11/02/2015 19:19
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Anonymous
Umm, VW did it to themselves. They are cheats and liars.
[Post New]11/02/2015 20:00
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I knew there had to be more to the recalls - to destroy a company using global warming as an excuse is hella bullshit. This is really about unions and revenge over Volkswagen not supporting Obama's green agenda:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140214/OEM01/140219901/obama-weighs-in-on-contentious-union-vote-at-volkswagen-plant

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/volkswagen-lobbied-obama-administration-for-green-tax-credits/

Yet GM, aka 'Government Motors' recall of their ignition switches directly led to the deaths of people, and escaped with a fine and no charges filed.


Just gross.


Big Business breaks the law; Republican shill blames Obama. Just another Monday.
[Post New]11/02/2015 20:09
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I knew there had to be more to the recalls - to destroy a company using global warming as an excuse is hella bullshit. This is really about unions and revenge over Volkswagen not supporting Obama's green agenda:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140214/OEM01/140219901/obama-weighs-in-on-contentious-union-vote-at-volkswagen-plant

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/volkswagen-lobbied-obama-administration-for-green-tax-credits/

Yet GM, aka 'Government Motors' recall of their ignition switches directly led to the deaths of people, and escaped with a fine and no charges filed.


Just gross.


Big Business breaks the law; Republican shill blames Obama. Just another Monday.


There's your issue right there. The ridiculous legislation.

Think of a buffet. In Constitutional Republic allows you to go to many buffets with many choices. The business owner has freedom to choose what's on his/her buffet and to change it at will. With Communism, there is one type of buffet with the same food choices. Don't complain; you might 'disappear'. With democratic socialism, there are many buffets (come privately owned, some government-owned) with many choices, but those choices are heavily regulated, i.e. you can serve only foods that are deemed healthy and/or approved to serve.
[Post New]11/02/2015 20:16
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Anonymous
I know, right? Air pollution, soot, deisel exhaust, it's all lovely. Silly standards, what is the dumb government thinking?
[Post New]11/02/2015 20:21
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I know, right? Air pollution, soot, deisel exhaust, it's all lovely. Silly standards, what is the dumb government thinking?


I'm perfectly fine with the government going after these things, but why were they so lax on GM? Why so lax on wallstreet? The Obama administration is every bit as much under corporate control as the Republicans, or close enough as to make no difference.
[Post New]11/02/2015 20:42
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Anonymous
Defective ignition switches and software designed for the explicit purpose of circumventing federal emissions regulations are entirely different from the standpoint of federal regulators. There is a NHTSA recall system and GM agreed to pay a $35 million fine. This of course does does not absolve the company of liability for damages in civil claims.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:00
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I knew there had to be more to the recalls - to destroy a company using global warming as an excuse is hella bullshit. This is really about unions and revenge over Volkswagen not supporting Obama's green agenda:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140214/OEM01/140219901/obama-weighs-in-on-contentious-union-vote-at-volkswagen-plant

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/volkswagen-lobbied-obama-administration-for-green-tax-credits/

Yet GM, aka 'Government Motors' recall of their ignition switches directly led to the deaths of people, and escaped with a fine and no charges filed.


Just gross.


Big Business breaks the law; Republican shill blames Obama. Just another Monday.


There's your issue right there. The ridiculous legislation.

Think of a buffet. In Constitutional Republic allows you to go to many buffets with many choices. The business owner has freedom to choose what's on his/her buffet and to change it at will. With Communism, there is one type of buffet with the same food choices. Don't complain; you might 'disappear'. With democratic socialism, there are many buffets (come privately owned, some government-owned) with many choices, but those choices are heavily regulated, i.e. you can serve only foods that are deemed healthy and/or approved to serve.


Is this a joke? Are you not familiar with the concept of externalities in economics. If you are, the you should realize that air pollution standards are fully consistent with capitalism.

[Post New]11/02/2015 21:03
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MikeL
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Anonymous wrote:Defective ignition switches and software designed for the explicit purpose of circumventing federal emissions regulations are entirely different from the standpoint of federal regulators. There is a NHTSA recall system and GM agreed to pay a $35 million fine. This of course does does not absolve the company of liability for damages in civil claims.

You're making far too much sense for the Tea Party type that started this thread to understand what you're typing.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:04
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Anonymous
what does global warming have to do with it? you are seriously incoherent.

I feel like the proper response to this post is eagle snafu. Linoleum! Fifty-second fish maw.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:07
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I knew there had to be more to the recalls - to destroy a company using global warming as an excuse is hella bullshit. This is really about unions and revenge over Volkswagen not supporting Obama's green agenda:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140214/OEM01/140219901/obama-weighs-in-on-contentious-union-vote-at-volkswagen-plant

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/volkswagen-lobbied-obama-administration-for-green-tax-credits/

Yet GM, aka 'Government Motors' recall of their ignition switches directly led to the deaths of people, and escaped with a fine and no charges filed.


Just gross.


Big Business breaks the law; Republican shill blames Obama. Just another Monday.


There's your issue right there. The ridiculous legislation.

Think of a buffet. In Constitutional Republic allows you to go to many buffets with many choices. The business owner has freedom to choose what's on his/her buffet and to change it at will. With Communism, there is one type of buffet with the same food choices. Don't complain; you might 'disappear'. With democratic socialism, there are many buffets (come privately owned, some government-owned) with many choices, but those choices are heavily regulated, i.e. you can serve only foods that are deemed healthy and/or approved to serve.


Sigh. How to explain an externality to someone who views governments in terms of buffets.

When you burn a gallon of gas, you pollute the air, water, and land that belong to all of us. Therefore you owe us an amount of money equal to what it takes to clean it. We could just put a tax on a gallon of gasoline equal to what it takes to clean up the pollution it produces. Then we would not need to regulate fuel efficiency. Let's just say the price of the buffet needs to cover the repair to the toilet you clog afterward.

But you would go apeshit if you had to pay the real cost of fuel including environmental cleanup. So we compromise and ask auto makers to ever-so-gradually improve fuel efficiency. You should be damn glad, too. Because the fuel cost of that Suburban you drive would skyrocket if the rest of the world wasn't driving Camrys and Civics.

So yes, it is only ridiculous to the extent that it's a poor substitute for the indisputable economic principle of taxing gas to pay for the externality.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:15
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Anonymous
MikeL wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Defective ignition switches and software designed for the explicit purpose of circumventing federal emissions regulations are entirely different from the standpoint of federal regulators. There is a NHTSA recall system and GM agreed to pay a $35 million fine. This of course does does not absolve the company of liability for damages in civil claims.

You're making far too much sense for the Tea Party type that started this thread to understand what you're typing.


Again, the problem is Federal emissions regulations to begin with. And Obama's personal beef with Volkswagen.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:17
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Anonymous
Typical republican...it's everyone else fault.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:17
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I knew there had to be more to the recalls - to destroy a company using global warming as an excuse is hella bullshit. This is really about unions and revenge over Volkswagen not supporting Obama's green agenda:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140214/OEM01/140219901/obama-weighs-in-on-contentious-union-vote-at-volkswagen-plant

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/volkswagen-lobbied-obama-administration-for-green-tax-credits/

Yet GM, aka 'Government Motors' recall of their ignition switches directly led to the deaths of people, and escaped with a fine and no charges filed.


Just gross.


Big Business breaks the law; Republican shill blames Obama. Just another Monday.


There's your issue right there. The ridiculous legislation.

Think of a buffet. In Constitutional Republic allows you to go to many buffets with many choices. The business owner has freedom to choose what's on his/her buffet and to change it at will. With Communism, there is one type of buffet with the same food choices. Don't complain; you might 'disappear'. With democratic socialism, there are many buffets (come privately owned, some government-owned) with many choices, but those choices are heavily regulated, i.e. you can serve only foods that are deemed healthy and/or approved to serve.


Is this a joke? Are you not familiar with the concept of externalities in economics. If you are, the you should realize that air pollution standards are fully consistent with capitalism.



I merely described the differences between the types of government, and how progressives are indeed socialists.
[Post New]11/02/2015 21:24
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Anonymous
Wow... Hitler's producer of wartime vehicles, that used slave labor from concentration camps...

Good riddance....

Always wondered what Jerry seinfeld's fetish with Porsche vehicles was all about...

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