Oldest Quran Manuscript discovered in Birmingham

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The recent carbon dating of an ancient Quranic manuscript at the University of Birmingham has now added even more proof regarding the unparalleled degree of certainty with which the Quran has been preserved. These folios have been Carbon 14 dated to within the same time frame, or perhaps shortly after, the Prophet saw life. Waiting on Fox news to put this on a spin "see we told you but no one listened. Well there you go, we now have historical evidence that shows this is a Muslim city"....

The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.

These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.

"They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam.

"According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Koran, the scripture of Islam, between the years 610 and 632, the year of his death."


"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian" Quran : 15:9


SOURCE : http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021


What's it like being Muslim? Well, it's hard to find a decent halal pizza place and occasionally there is a hashtag calling for your genocide...
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Muslima wrote:The recent carbon dating of an ancient Quranic manuscript at the University of Birmingham has now added even more proof regarding the unparalleled degree of certainty with which the Quran has been preserved. These folios have been Carbon 14 dated to within the same time frame, or perhaps shortly after, the Prophet saw life. Waiting on Fox news to put this on a spin "see we told you but no one listened. Well there you go, we now have historical evidence that shows this is a Muslim city"....

The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.

These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.

"They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam.

"According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Koran, the scripture of Islam, between the years 610 and 632, the year of his death."


SOURCE : http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021


So...what is your point?
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Muslima wrote:The recent carbon dating of an ancient Quranic manuscript at the University of Birmingham has now added even more proof regarding the unparalleled degree of certainty with which the Quran has been preserved. These folios have been Carbon 14 dated to within the same time frame, or perhaps shortly after, the Prophet saw life. Waiting on Fox news to put this on a spin "see we told you but no one listened. Well there you go, we now have historical evidence that shows this is a Muslim city"....

The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.

These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.

"They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam.

"According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Koran, the scripture of Islam, between the years 610 and 632, the year of his death."


SOURCE : http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021


Thanks you for posting this. This is fascinating, and I don't know that I would have seen it earlier.

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Muslima wrote:The recent carbon dating of an ancient Quranic manuscript at the University of Birmingham has now added even more proof regarding the unparalleled degree of certainty with which the Quran has been preserved. These folios have been Carbon 14 dated to within the same time frame, or perhaps shortly after, the Prophet saw life. Waiting on Fox news to put this on a spin "see we told you but no one listened. Well there you go, we now have historical evidence that shows this is a Muslim city"....

The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.

These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.

"They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam.

"According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Koran, the scripture of Islam, between the years 610 and 632, the year of his death."


SOURCE : http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021


Thanks you for posting this. This is fascinating, and I don't know that I would have seen it earlier.



You are welcome. I find it fascinating that this was preserved all these years, and dormant in Birmingham of any places
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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:The recent carbon dating of an ancient Quranic manuscript at the University of Birmingham has now added even more proof regarding the unparalleled degree of certainty with which the Quran has been preserved. These folios have been Carbon 14 dated to within the same time frame, or perhaps shortly after, the Prophet saw life. Waiting on Fox news to put this on a spin "see we told you but no one listened. Well there you go, we now have historical evidence that shows this is a Muslim city"....

The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.

These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.

"They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam.

"According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Koran, the scripture of Islam, between the years 610 and 632, the year of his death."


SOURCE : http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021


Thanks you for posting this. This is fascinating, and I don't know that I would have seen it earlier.



You are welcome. I find it fascinating that this was preserved all these years, and dormant in Birmingham of any places


The fact is that England's presence in the middle east goes back centuries. Archaeologists explored throughout that area for a long time. It's remarkable that it was so well preserved but totally within reason for it to have found where it was.
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As a Muslim, I was thrilled about this. It seems the suras found were 18-20 and they were almost exactly as the suras today, lending some credence to the claim that the Quran is virtually unchanged in 1400 yrs.
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"unparalleled degree of certainty" - why do you even go there? Seems unecessarily provocative.
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Well preserved != true.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:"unparalleled degree of certainty" - why do you even go there? Seems unecessarily provocative.


Wait...why is it provocative to you that our Holy Book has been unchanged over the years? I don't get it?
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Anonymous wrote:"unparalleled degree of certainty" - why do you even go there? Seems unecessarily provocative.


Wait...why is it provocative to you that our Holy Book has been unchanged over the years? I don't get it?


NP here. Are you feigning being obtuse? Obviously Muslims believe their religion is superior to that of the Christians. Obviously the feeling is mutual. Obviously, Muslima's use of "Uparalleled" is a jab indicating that this level of authenticity in the scriptures enjoyed by Islam is not also enjoyed by Christianity, especially the English speaking ones.

This is provocative because it incites heated disagreement. Obviously.
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Does it still day death to the infidel
Anonymous
I saw that last week, too. I thought it was fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"unparalleled degree of certainty" - why do you even go there? Seems unecessarily provocative.


Wait...why is it provocative to you that our Holy Book has been unchanged over the years? I don't get it?


NP here. Are you feigning being obtuse? Obviously Muslims believe their religion is superior to that of the Christians. Obviously the feeling is mutual. Obviously, Muslima's use of "Uparalleled" is a jab indicating that this level of authenticity in the scriptures enjoyed by Islam is not also enjoyed by Christianity, especially the English speaking ones.

This is provocative because it incites heated disagreement. Obviously.


LOL way to make everything about you. Actually, as Muslims, we don't believe our religion is superior and we see Christians and Jews as our brothers and sisters on a different path. As a Muslim, any time I see old versions of the Quran it just amazes me that over all this time, it hasn't changed and that we are reading the same book that our ancestors read. That to me is amazing.

It doesn't have anything to do with Christians or the Bible or Hindus or anyone else. Sorry to take the attention away from you :'(
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"unparalleled degree of certainty" - why do you even go there? Seems unecessarily provocative.


Wait...why is it provocative to you that our Holy Book has been unchanged over the years? I don't get it?


NP here. Are you feigning being obtuse? Obviously Muslims believe their religion is superior to that of the Christians. Obviously the feeling is mutual. Obviously, Muslima's use of "Uparalleled" is a jab indicating that this level of authenticity in the scriptures enjoyed by Islam is not also enjoyed by Christianity, especially the English speaking ones.

This is provocative because it incites heated disagreement. Obviously.


LOL way to make everything about you. Actually, as Muslims, we don't believe our religion is superior and we see Christians and Jews as our brothers and sisters on a different path. As a Muslim, any time I see old versions of the Quran it just amazes me that over all this time, it hasn't changed and that we are reading the same book that our ancestors read. That to me is amazing.

It doesn't have anything to do with Christians or the Bible or Hindus or anyone else. Sorry to take the attention away from you :'(


A key tenet of Islam is that the Jews and Christians got it wrong, so God sent Mohammed to set everybody straight. You're definitely not speaking for all Muslims, or even most Muslims, or even many Muslims at all.

In any case, the age of a piece of paper/papyrus/stone proves nothing about the presence, or lack thereof, of divine inspiration behind the document.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL way to make everything about you. Actually, as Muslims, we don't believe our religion is superior and we see Christians and Jews as our brothers and sisters on a different path. As a Muslim, any time I see old versions of the Quran it just amazes me that over all this time, it hasn't changed and that we are reading the same book that our ancestors read. That to me is amazing.

It doesn't have anything to do with Christians or the Bible or Hindus or anyone else. Sorry to take the attention away from you :'(


A key tenet of Islam is that the Jews and Christians got it wrong, so God sent Mohammed to set everybody straight. You're definitely not speaking for all Muslims, or even most Muslims, or even many Muslims at all.

In any case, the age of a piece of paper/papyrus/stone proves nothing about the presence, or lack thereof, of divine inspiration behind the document.


PP at the top, I have to ask: why did you post something that you know to be untrue? Lots of us know that Muslims believe that Jews and Christians got it wrong. It only takes one person to call you out on this. I suspect you were involved in last year's crazy threads that were precipitated by claims about fantasy conversion rates to Islam, equal treatment of women, and so on, and I also suspect that you don't want a repeat of being called out by people on this stuff.
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