Pamela Geller is nuts
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If you are claiming that Islam is responsible for FGM, wouldn't the more relevant question be "why is FGM only found in African countries?" What about the millions of Muslim women in Indonesia? India? Pakistan? Arabia? Balkans? Wouldn't all of the devout Muslim women go through FGM? So myopic... |
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The poster has no clue what they are saying. |
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It's mentioned for sure. This is where justification is found for the practice. http://islamqa.info/en/427 |
Anonymous
Great, you picked a Saudi Salafi to represent Islam, and he says it's not obligatory. |
Anonymous
What exactly have you read and understood from this link? Because as a practicing Muslim, islamQa is the last place I go when I have a question. And even they are saying its not required and the justification is possibly not even based on an authentic source soooo... |
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Lol this is actually funny. For one, islamQA is such a mixed bag as it is written by anonymous people who respond to random questions submitted to them. It is a site that leans towards salafism and wahabism but what's even more laughable is that on the link the Pp shared they themselves say : 1. It is not obligatory 2. They cite A hadith that mentions female circumcision and also add that the hadith is Daeef which means WEAK lol . So this is your proof??? Oh boy, ridonculusss !!! |
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OP here. I'm amazed how far this thread has strayed from the topic. I'm also amazed at this PP who posts this link as the justification for FGM, but apparently hasn't actually read it. There are so many "caveats" included in this article and the author even states that it is not mandatory. This is not a requirement of Islam and frankly, only observed in some locations. This posters is like the poster saying that the Mormon practice of door-to-door proselytizing is an inherent feature of Christianity. Some of the quotes:
So, Islam does not promote FGM. One Muslim Sheikh mentions it in a Q&A. Additionally, it isn't a requirement, it is very clearly optional and each individual woman can decide for herself. Additionally, there is the proscription that if the clitoris is small, that it should be left alone. Pretty sketchy argument to use this as a large scale criticism of Islam in general. |
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I think the problem is most people just latch on to buzzwords tossed out by people like Pamela Gellar, but don't really understand the meaning or history behind it. If you really care about the victims of FGM, it doesn't really help if you don't know anything about it except "Islam did it to them!" Since the basis of this practice is not even in Islam, you could eradicate Islam from the place and the problem would still be there. How does that help anyone?
And for the person who lived in a village with Afghan girls, you seriously cannot paint an entire religion or even an entire country based on your limited experience. Most people in small villages in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan are not capable of reading or writing. They have no idea if what the imam or "learned man" at the local mosque is telling them what is actually in the Quran or if it is his own twisted interpretation of it (guess what it is most of the time?). I am Muslim, I have family in the US, Canada, Saudi, Pakistan, India, the UAE, Europe, pretty much all over the world and I have never heard of anything like what you are describing. My family is all Muslim and mostly female (I have a ton of girl cousins) and they are all happy, all wear hijab (by choice), have chosen their own husbands (some are pursuing grad degrees after marriage, some are waiting to complete their grad degrees before marriage). My male family is respectful, kind to their wives, mothers, sisters, active in their communities. I hope you understand the impact education and socioeconomic situations have. If you were to go to a big city and interact with normal people from a middle class family, you would have a completely different experience. I would not judge an entire religion as vast as Islam which is spread throughout the world based on one experience in one country. That is pretty foolish, in my opinion. |
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Do you really think this treatment of women is unique to Islam? It must be nice to live in your world, where nobody ever gets raped, justice is always served, and no woman is ever killed for petty reasons (or no reason). |
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It might not be required, but it's certainly written. You can say the source isn't accurate, but that doesn't make it so. |
Anonymous
Can I ask what country you are here from and why you came here? |
Anonymous
When a government of a country condones the treatment of women, it's an issue. Defenders of Islam never address that truth. |
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IslamQA once had an entire thing written about the permissibility of eating mermaids. Someone asked "Are mermaids halal?" And the person wrote a nice long explanation to answer that mermaids are, in fact, halal. Just because something is written by someone somewhere does not make it accurate  Most educated Muslims will not follow someone blindly without authentic proof (which means directly from the Quran or from the authentic Hadith narrations, backed up by the four schools of thought). We don't randomly follow online answers just because someone wrote them.
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If a government contents mistreatment of women, that is an issue with that government. It is not an issue with the religion, particularly if the vast majority of the religion's adherents don't agree with the mistreatment. There are Christians and Jews that practice FGM. Why are you not attacking those religions? |
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And when the government and religion are so intricately tied together that they operate as one, it's certainly a problem. It would be a problem in THIS country and that is why the Constitution was written as it was, and why we have a series of checks and balances. It's the equivalent of the extreme religious right running this country - i.e. putting Westboro Baptist in charge. |