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(Full article on the link, i have just quoted part of the article, but reading the full article will give more insight to those interested)
Read more here : http://muslisms.com/2014/09/14/khawarij-a-history-of-violence/

There are many Muslims who are troubled by ISIS and their vicious rhetoric and vicious actions. But this is not the first time that a rebel group of Muslims have emerged with extremist tendencies. And as the saying goes, those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it.

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, warned his followers of a group of people who would arise after his death. The Prophet mentioned their arrival and characteristics no less than 10 times. Among the characteristics he mentioned were:

They would worship so much that “you shall consider your worship and your prayer and your recitation of the Qur’an to be nothing compared to theirs.” Meaning, their outward actions, like praying and reciting the Qur’an, would be on overdrive. And yet…
“They shall recite the Qur’an but it will not leave their throats.” Meaning that their understanding of the Qur’an will not go any farther than their recitation, and they will not have religious knowledge or insight.
“They are calling to the book of Allah, but they have nothing to do with the book of Allah.” Meaning their call is great, but their actions are terrible.
“They are speaking the best speech that you will ever hear of any man. But they will leave Islam like an arrow leaves its prey.”
Surely enough, less than 20 years after the death of The Prophet, this group came into being.



The Beginning of the Khawarij

During the time of the fourth Caliph, Ali, (who ruled from 656 – 661 CE) there was a political war between him and another man named Mu’awiyah. Both were Companions (sahaba) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Ali was also the Prophet’s son-in-law and cousin.

At one point, Ali and Mu’awiyah had ceased fighting and began a process of arbitration to bring about peace. Arbitrators were selected from the two sides to bring an end to hostilities, based on the Qur’an and sunnah (traditions of The Prophet). However, among these people was a group who believed that arbitration was a sin, based on their own understanding of the verse of the Qur’an which states:

The judgement (hukm) is Allah’s alone, He relates the truth and He is the Best of deciders.

Qur’an, 6: 57

The group accused Ali of sin and disbelief and told him to repent. He defended himself, and said of them:

“The sentence is right but what (they think) it means is wrong. It is true that law-giving (hukm, judgement) is God’s alone, but these people say that governance is God’s alone…In short, the law does not get put into practice all by itself; there must be someone, or some group, who tries to put it into practice.”

The group was adamant that Ali had sinned. In short, they believed that if Ali was following the truth, he had to kill Mu’awiyah and all his men for their insurrection. And if he was not following the truth, then Mu’awiyah and his men should have killed him.

6000 of them split away from Ali’s rule and formed their own tribe. They became known as the Kharijites, or Khawarij. The title comes from the Arabic word “khuruj”, meaning “revolt” or “insurrection”. This group was the first group to exhibit extremist tendencies and the first sect to split away from mainstream Islamic thought—even before the Sunni-Shia split.



Features of the Khawarij

Initially, Ali left the group alone. In his wisdom, he did not want to force people to reform their beliefs or overpower them. He told them that they could practice however they wished, so long as they did not spread corruption in the land.

However, the extreme, overzealous practices of the Khawarij are what drove them into constant conflict and bloodshed. They would kill anyone who did not believe in their extremist ideology. Some of the many features of the Kharawij were among the following:

They would pray so much that their foreheads would become calloused and their hands rough
They would be malnourished from fasting so much
They considered anyone who had committed a major sin (ie drinking alcohol, fornication, backbiting) to be a disbeliever, and that they should be killed
They believed only they were on the correct path and everyone else was a disbeliever and had to be killed
They questioned the religious scholarship of notables like Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Aishah—and even The Prophet himself
They were narrow-minded and short-sighted
They lacked any sort of religious knowledge or scholarship
They acted without knowledge or insight into the consequences of their actions
They saw the need to openly fight whoever they considered to be an unjust ruler
In short, much of the Khawarij belief stemmed from an overzealous sense of righteousness. Their intention was noble: they were concerned for the purity of the religion. However, their extremist tendencies were incompatible with the realities of life, and showed a disregard for the maxim of Islam that calls for mercy and peace first and foremost.

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Muslima wrote:The internet is free, use it, if you're bored, go and explore or watch a movie ! FYI what i cited was not from the Qu'ran

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The internet is free, use it, if you're bored, go and explore or watch a movie ! FYI what i cited was not from the Qu'ran

So it's not scripture. It's hadith. But it's hadith we should respect, because it's convenient at this point in time when we need to say ISIS are bad Muslims, as opposed to all that other hadith we should ignore.

Muslima wrote:The internet is free, use it, if you're bored, go and explore or watch a movie ! FYI what i cited was not from the Qu'ran

Anonymous wrote:And the quran quotes from hadith, yes?

And hadith is considered spurious at best, as primary sources provide no support for its content. Instead, other sources contradict its messages.


just a side note - My internet isn't free; we pay a fee for it use. Do you?

Muslima wrote:The internet is free, use it, if you're bored, go and explore or watch a movie ! FYI what i cited was not from the Qu'ran

Anonymous wrote:And the quran quotes from hadith, yes?

And hadith is considered spurious at best, as primary sources provide no support for its content. Instead, other sources contradict its messages.


just a side note - My internet isn't free; we pay a fee for it use. Do you?

Muslima wrote:The internet is free, use it, if you're bored, go and explore or watch a movie ! FYI what i cited was not from the Qu'ran

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the quran quotes from hadith, yes?

And hadith is considered spurious at best, as primary sources provide no support for its content. Instead, other sources contradict its messages.


just a side note - My internet isn't free; we pay a fee for it use. Do you?

Muslima wrote:The internet is free, use it, if you're bored, go and explore or watch a movie ! FYI what i cited was not from the Qu'ran

Not correct. The Quran is the literal word of God, as spoken to Mohammed via an angel and written down later. Muslims draw a distinction between their holy book, which they see as God's own words, and the Jewish and Christian scriptures, which were written down by witnesses, sometimes much later. Depending on the context and what suits her purpose at the time, Muslima will either tell you that the Quran is the source that should be relied on over the hadith, or that most of the Quran is up for interpretation and nobody shouldn't refer to it without years of study and consulting scholars.

The hadith are sayings of Mohammed recorded by people who knew him, at various points of time after his death and sometimes long after his death. These are witness stories about things Mohammed said and how he lived, which many Muslims try to emulate. Authenticating hadith has preoccupied Muslim scholars for centuries, and some hadith are viewed as more reliable than others. Depending on the context and what suits her purpose at the time, Muslima will either tell you that the hadith are reliable (yesterday's kharawij discussion) or that the Quran is the source that should be relied on over the hadith.

Anonymous wrote:And the quran quotes from hadith, yes?

And hadith is considered spurious at best, as primary sources provide no support for its content. Instead, other sources contradict its messages.

just a side note - My internet isn't free; we pay a fee for it use. Do you?

Depending on the context and what suits her purpose at the time, Muslima will either tell you that the Quran is the source that should be relied on over the hadith, or that most of the Quran is up for interpretation and nobody shouldn't refer to it without years of study and consulting scholars.

And some hadith are viewed as more reliable than others. Depending on the context and what suits her purpose at the time, Muslima will either tell you that the hadith are reliable (yesterday's kharawij discussion) or that the Quran is the source that should be relied on over the hadith.

Muslima wrote:

Depending on the context and what suits her purpose at the time, Muslima will either tell you that the Quran is the source that should be relied on over the hadith, or that most of the Quran is up for interpretation and nobody shouldn't refer to it without years of study and consulting scholars.

This is not accurate. The Qu'ran is and remains the primary source for All Muslims. The hadiths are secondary, and yes you can not quote a random verse of the Qu'ran without the context or citing the paragraph to refer to the story being told. I recognize all hadiths that are sahib and I accept them as that, sahiH hadiths, but the Qu'ran is the primary source of everything I question, unless the answer is not there, and then i refer to the hadiths.

And some hadith are viewed as more reliable than others. Depending on the context and what suits her purpose at the time, Muslima will either tell you that the hadith are reliable (yesterday's kharawij discussion) or that the Quran is the source that should be relied on over the hadith.

Again false, stop misrepresenting me. The Qur'an is and remains the primary source, so of course it should be relied on over hadith, but the hadiths that are sahih do not contradict the Qur'an so your point is moot. I accept all SAHIiH Hadiths hence why i quoted the hadith about the Khawarij .