Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.

Accusing someone of being a khawarij is a serious accusation, not something you just shout at people you don't agree with .

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.

Accusing someone of being a khawarij is a serious accusation, not something you just shout at people you don't agree with .

perhaps in your culture

If it means nothing to me, why would it be a serious accusation?

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.

Accusing someone of being a khawarij is a serious accusation, not something you just shout at people you don't agree with .

perhaps in your culture

If it means nothing to me, why would it be a serious accusation?

I did not say it was a serious accusation for you. I was referring to me, that I wouldn't say that everyone who disagrees with "my so called version " of Islam is a Khawarij.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.

Accusing someone of being a khawarij is a serious accusation, not something you just shout at people you don't agree with .

perhaps in your culture

If it means nothing to me, why would it be a serious accusation?

I did not say it was a serious accusation for you. I was referring to me, that I wouldn't say that everyone who disagrees with "my so called version " of Islam is a Khawarij.

You misunderstand the reaction to your post that "to understand ISIS you have to understand Khawarij." The problem, as with any time one demonizes someone who thinks differently, is that it's a slippery slope, first ISIS and then your neighbor who refuses to veil. Also, who gets to decide who is Khawarij? ISIS undoubtedly thinks moderate Muslims are Khararij. The whole idea of demonizing someone else seems fraught with problems.

The prophet (saw) said : "Whoever rejects obedience to the leader and divides the community and dies will have died upon ignorance. Whoever fights under the banner of one who is blind, raging for the sake of tribalism, or calling to tribalism, or supporting tribalism, and is killed will have died upon ignorance. Whoever rebels against my nation, striking the righteous and wicked alike and sparing not even the believers and does not fulfill the pledge of security, then he has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him."

They reject lawful obedience to Muslim leaders and they fight according to their tribal zeal, meaning they are not concerned with justice for their victims.

They attack both the righteous and the wicked, and they do not honor covenants of security and the protection of civilians. In our times, you will see them target markets, bus stations, airports, and other places frequented by unarmed civilians. The purpose of such attacks is not to achieve any immediate military objectives, but rather to spread terror among the population and destabilize the government. Wherever they appear, the Kharijites cause division among the Muslims at large and even among their own groups. Whenever they form a group, it is not long before splinter groups and off-shoots appear with each one claiming to have the right to seize the Caliphate. The Prophet (SAW) described them as using beautiful Islamic rhetoric and selling “foolish dreams” to the Muslim masses. Their “foolish dreams” are their promises of an Islamic Utopia, a glorious jihad, a new Caliphate that will bring honor and strength back to the Muslims. Yet, their dreams are unrealistic and their methodologies dangerous to the very people they claim to be helping. Their understanding of faith is so shallow, superficial, and hypocritical that they cause even greater harm to Muslim community.
The prophet (saw) said : There will be dissension and division in my nation and a people will come with beautiful words but evil deeds. They recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target and they will not return until the arrows returns to its notch. They are the worst of the creation."

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Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Who then is responsible for understanding ISIS?

Am I - a Western atheist- expected to study this area in order to become more understanding?

Who is your audience for this matter?

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Who then is responsible for understanding ISIS?

Am I - a Western atheist- expected to study this area in order to become more understanding?

Who is your audience for this matter?

Nobody is expecting you to learn anything. Those who are interested in these matters will look them up. This was an answer to the question of " Oh Baghdagi their leader is a graduate of so and so islamic program, so he does understand x, y z" and my point was, just because people recite the Qu'ran doesn't mean they understand it or apply it since we were warned of a group amongst the Muslims who will come in later times, will recite the Qu'ran beautifully but will spread mischief in the world and will use the Qu'ran to justify each of their evil deeds. They will persecute Muslims and Non muslims alike and will be ruthless!

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Who then is responsible for understanding ISIS?

Am I - a Western atheist- expected to study this area in order to become more understanding?

Who is your audience for this matter?

Nobody is expecting you to learn anything. Those who are interested in these matters will look them up. This was an answer to the question of " Oh Baghdagi their leader is a graduate of so and so islamic program, so he does understand x, y z" and my point was, just because people recite the Qu'ran doesn't mean they understand it or apply it since we were warned of a group amongst the Muslims who will come in later times, will recite the Qu'ran beautifully but will spread mischief in the world and will use the Qu'ran to justify each of their evil deeds. They will persecute Muslims and Non muslims alike and will be ruthless!

So you believe in the apocalypse?

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.

According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.

Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.

I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.

To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."

Who then is responsible for understanding ISIS?

Am I - a Western atheist- expected to study this area in order to become more understanding?

Who is your audience for this matter?

Nobody is expecting you to learn anything. Those who are interested in these matters will look them up. This was an answer to the question of " Oh Baghdagi their leader is a graduate of so and so islamic program, so he does understand x, y z" and my point was, just because people recite the Qu'ran doesn't mean they understand it or apply it since we were warned of a group amongst the Muslims who will come in later times, will recite the Qu'ran beautifully but will spread mischief in the world and will use the Qu'ran to justify each of their evil deeds. They will persecute Muslims and Non muslims alike and will be ruthless!

So you believe in the apocalypse?

I am Muslim, so my views about the end of times are different from the Christian apocalypse, but I do believe in the end of times, yes.